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klickman

6:29 pm on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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When I do a allinanchor search on www-sj on my keyword I come up #1 in the SERPs.

Then I do a basic keyword search for the same allinanchor keyword on www-sj and my site is no where to be found.

Can anyone shed light on this?

AthlonInside

6:35 pm on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Semi-Penalty

You are not alone. But usually it happens in other datacenters instead of SJ.

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heini

6:38 pm on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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A very questionable theory, from what I've read. I don't give a dime on it, as the updating process or whatever we might call this has not even reached halftime. Lots and lots of stuff missing, filters not yet applied, Toolbar PR jumping around...
Not saying this is all baloney, but there's simply no foundation to base any theories on.

[edited by: heini at 6:59 pm (utc) on May 19, 2003]

klickman

6:54 pm on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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heini

I've read the theory and your comments. What do you suggest?

My site has obviously not been included for the keyword for a reason. I do have h1 tags with keyword inside, most anchor text has exact same keyword and site keywords obviously in tile.

Was #1 and #2 for the targeted keyword in the regular index, now vanished. Sites been up for over 2 years and held #1 #2 position last 6-8 months.

Should just wait to see if by some magical conclusion to see if my site will appear in www-sj (because it's not there for those keywords) or should I re-optimize?

heini

7:00 pm on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I don't make decisions based on not even half complete updates, where GG has stated probably a hundred times or so lots of stuff is missing.

needinfo

7:03 pm on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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klickman,
You should definately sit still and wait.

AthlonInside

8:07 pm on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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A very questionable theory, from what I've read. I don't give a dime on it, as the updating process or whatever we might call this has not even reached halftime. Lots and lots of stuff missing, filters not yet applied, Toolbar PR jumping around...
Not saying this is all baloney, but there's simply no foundation to base any theories on.

>the updating process or whatever we might call this has not even reached halftime.
Google has 9 datacenter, 8 is live with 1 redirect to others. Our of 8 datacenters, 6 has the new SJ type index. It is not half. WWW are already redirecting visitors to the 6 datacenters with new index. If a site is lost, it means 3 quater of visitors is now lost. It is not half.

> Lots and lots of stuff missing
that's why there is such teory we are discussing.

> filters not yet applied
If 2 spammy sites appear in your SERPs do not mean filters are not yet applied. There are many kind of filters google has. We tend to explain the missing site due to the filters applied.

>Toolbar PR jumping around
Didn't you know every datacenter has its own PR saved in index? If you want a fix PR, set you hosts file and point it to the dataceter you like to know the PR from.

From all the updates in 2003, we never encouter such problems before and so we (the victims) would need to discuss more to find our what is happening. If your site is still there, you should be happy and you may avoid yourself from the discussion.

DVDBurning

8:21 pm on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Athloninside said
"Google has 9 datacenter, 8 is live with 1 redirect to others. Our of 8 datacenters, 6 has the new SJ type index. It is not half."

Although these datacenters have a "new" index, this index represents a new Google algorithm applied to an old set of data (an old deepcrawl). These results should change over the next week or two as we see the data from the last deepcrawl applied to this new algorithm, and as SPAM filters are applied. What you are seeing now is really an interim version of the Google index. As has been mentioned several hundred times... more patience is required.

rfgdxm1

8:35 pm on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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GG in a post implied that it would be more than weeks, and less than months, for the new data to be pulled in, and gave a time frame of about a month. This is such a long period of time I say this index IS final. If this index from hell is going to last weeks, then whatever the next change is will be the next update IMO.

AthlonInside

8:45 pm on May 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Waiting is good. But if there are really problems that has been caught by some new filters, then the early we know the better. So we can take action on it and prepared it for the new deep crawl.

If we correct everything only after the deep crawl. We might have to wait 2 months instead of 1 month. And nowadays, google is 'notorios' for their late update and it might be 3 months! :) That's a quarter year.

Remember deep bot always came early enough after an update is completed.