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nirelan

10:17 pm on May 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Are the posts on Google Groups part owned by Google?

Shak

10:24 pm on May 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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welcome to webmasterworld.

In what sense do you mean:

1, Google owns the copyright?

2, Google owns the company?

this may have some relevance to your question:

MOUNTAIN VIEW, Calif. - February 12, 2001 - Google Inc. today announced that it has acquired Deja.com's Usenet Discussion Service. This acquisition provides Google with Deja's entire Usenet archive (dating back to 1995), software, domain names including deja.com and dejanews.com, company trademarks, and other intellectual property. Financial terms of this transaction were not released

[google.com...]

Shak

MUCH OF THE CONTENT OF THE GROUPS--INCLUDING THE CONTENTS OF SPECIFIC POSTINGS--IS PROVIDED BY AND IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE PERSON POSTING IN THAT GROUP. GOOGLE DOES NOT MONITOR THE CONTENT OF THE GROUPS AND TAKES NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR SUCH CONTENT. INSTEAD, GOOGLE MERELY PROVIDES ACCESS TO SUCH CONTENT AS A SERVICE TO YOU.

[edited by: Shak at 10:26 pm (utc) on May 17, 2003]

Alphawolf

10:25 pm on May 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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What do you mean by 'own'?

It's a collection of USENET posts:

[groups.google.com...]

AW

nirelan

10:31 pm on May 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I thought that it was just a searchengine for usenet posts ,but why would you need to register if Google didnt own it. I mean if I post a message that says hi on there does Google own it?

vincevincevince

10:34 pm on May 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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well, i post through my newsgroup server, and pretty soon they can be seen via google groups... i had no dealing with google in posting, but google displays my results, just like any other newsgroup server?

rfgdxm1

10:48 pm on May 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Google own Usenet? BLASPHEMY. I practically live on Usenet I post there so much. Everybody on Usenet knows that the owner of Usenet is the one and only Fluffy the Cat. Fluffy would never sell out to Google.

For those who don't get the above, the putative owner of Usenet by tradition is said to be Fluffy the Cat. Usenet is a decentalized network where posts are distributed in thousands of different newsgroups. Thus, Usenet has no actual owner, much in the same way the Internet itself isn't owned by one company. Usenet humor is to make references to Fluffy as being the one in charge, and to refer to Usenet as the land of Fluffy, under his benevolent rulership.

As for ownership of posts, theoretically the poster owns the copyright. However, Usenet posts are like printing up flyers and shoving them under people's doors. Once in the wild, basically anyone can do with them what the want.

nirelan

10:57 pm on May 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I know they dont own all of usenet. I still dont know how you could post if they dont own those groups.

rfgdxm1

11:06 pm on May 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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The reason you need to register to post is to control abuse. This way they know who is responsible for who posted once.

nirelan

11:27 pm on May 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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When you post it does go to there servers right?

jtbell

4:50 am on May 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I know they dont own all of usenet. I still dont know how you could post if they dont own those groups.

The college that I work for opeates a newsgroup server (in fact I administer it) that carries many of the newsgroups that Google Groups carries. I can post to any of those groups via that server. But the college doesn't own those groups, any more than any of the owners of thousands of other newsgroup servers do. Neither does Google.

nirelan

5:20 am on May 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Have you ever seen the Googlebot crawl through your newsgroup server?

nirelan

5:21 am on May 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I thought bots like Google could not crawl databases.

rfgdxm1

5:25 am on May 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>When you post it does go to there servers right?

Yes. Google peers with a number of large text Usenet servers, and the posts go out to Usenet from the Google server through those.

rfgdxm1

5:28 am on May 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>Have you ever seen the Googlebot crawl through your newsgroup server?

Usenet servers aren't ordinarily accessible from the web. You usually need to read them with a newsreader which uses the NNTP protocol. If you check groups.google.com, robots.txt blocks all bots.

nirelan

5:29 am on May 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Thank you very much rfgdxm1.

vincevincevince

8:58 am on May 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Interesting they block in robots.txt, I never noticed that. I've been dying to be able to get backlinks from newsgroups, but I know if you had them, they'd be abused and ruin usenet. I suspect that they ARE used (how could Google ignore such a large database now it has its own implementation?), BUT it's all kept a bit hushhush. Anyone seen evidence one way or the other?