Why don't interior pages have PR?

Weird PageRank

[phntsm]

I have a page rank of 5 on my index page, yet my subpages aren't indexed by Google. In fact, the subpages has no Pagerank. I looked for some things that could offend Google, but there isn't anything as far as I can tell. I figure if Google doesn't like my site, they would give my whole website a pagerank of 0, not just the subpages. My site has been up for over a year now. Any suggestions / comments would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

[djgreg]

have your subsites a grey bar or a white bar?
White bar would indicate a penalty.
Are your links to subsites java ór flash links? Google only follows links like "<a href="...">...</a>

greg

[miles]

Could be a few things that come to mind.

A. You pages cannot be indexed due to being flash or some other egghead feature.

B. They are but you dont know it.

Some things to look at are your access logs and see where the spiders are going. After you do that you may want make sure you have actual text links on your site so they are more friendly for spiders. Just a few but there could be 50 reasons all of which I dont know.

[phntsm]

I have a white bar. I'm not sure why I am penalized though. The subpages are normal asp pages with javascripts. There is just text on the pages with a javascript menu.

[miles]

If you are using roll over with java for the links you can either change it or use ALT tags. If I was in your shoes I would change the link structure to text links. Java IMHO does not provide any advantage over text links.

[ogletree]

What do the urls of those pages look like. A PR5 site with a url with lots of /'s will give you a PR0. It is a guesed PR. Move all your pages to domain.com/page.htm and you will get a better PR. We had PR0 on all our sites becasue we used a CMS. Our CMS provider came up with a patch for us that moved the front page from www.domain.com/bin/wrappers/admin.asp to www.domain.com and all of a sudden we had PR. Remember the PR that shows up on the bar is not necessaraly the real PR.

[nativenewyorker]

Unless you are doing something to spam Google, I doubt you are being penalized. With the current update, Google has changed their PR algorithm. Interior pages no longer automatically getting an estimated PR based on the domain and directory level. Just look at any new thread on Webmaster World and you will notice that they are either PR0 white bar or greyed out. Google will not assign PR to the pages until it actually indexes it.

Ted

[ogletree]

I have not seen any change on interior pages. This page right here has a PR5. It was just created how could it have PR.

[nativenewyorker]

Actually, I reset my hosts file to point at Google's new PR toolbar results at 216.239.35.100

Ted

[edited by: nativenewyorker at 7:16 pm (utc) on May 9, 2003]

[drewls]

I got the same thing when I switched my toolbar to that IP. For only 2 pages of our site. It looks like a glitch while they're adding stuff. I was worried about it when I first saw it, but since there is no funny business going on with those pages and no reason for any kind of penalty, I'm just figuring on the toolbar being a bit out of whack while they are changing things around.

At least I hope so... :)

[Marcia]

>>A PR5 site with a url with lots of /'s will give you a PR0. It is a guesed PR.

There's actually no such thing as a PR5 or PR6 site - there are only PR5 or PR6 pages. When people say a site is a PR5 site, it's actually referring to the index page - it's that page itself, not the site that's PR5.

PR isn't based on the file location or depth of directories, it's based on links. The number of clicks away is what decreases the PR successively. It'll diminish with each successive link iteration unless the PR of the page is supported by other incoming links, either off or in-site.

The guesswork PR that shows on the toolbar lasts only until the files are picked up on a crawl and the actual PR is recalculated and reflected after PR is updated during the course of a regular update. It's best to pay no mind to that temporary PR "guesstimate" and just wait until after the update following the time crawled has been completed.

>>Move all your pages to domain.com/page.htm and you will get a better PR.

Some people prefer to keep everything in the root, while others prefer to maintain more control over the navigation structure and internal PR distribution by using directories.

More or less, better or worse, PR received by a linked_to page doesn't depend on file location. It's based on the PR of the voting page divided by number of links minus the damping factor. It's strictly a page_to_page thing.

In this case it just sounds like for some reason PR hasn't been passed on to the internal pages of the site.

[edited by: Marcia at 7:32 pm (utc) on May 9, 2003]

[WebWalla]

Is your site new? It's normal for internal pages not to be ranked until after 2 updates.

[ogletree]

So are you saying that if I have a PR5 index page and a www.domain.com/dir/page.htm that has no pages whatsover pointed to it but has a PR3 guess on the toolbar it has no PR to pass whatsover.

[Marcia]

>>My site has been up for over a year now.

Can we assume all the pages are up over a year and that it's not just new pages that don't have PR?

The subpages are normal asp pages with javascripts. There is just text on the pages with a javascript menu.

Ouch! We won't see anything if we surf with JS disabled, neither will bots.

Check out the site's pages with the

Spider Simulator [searchengineworld.com]

>>has no pages whatsover pointed to it but has a PR3 guess on the toolbar it has no PR to pass whatsover.

Only real PR can count as a vote.

[phntsm]

Now, I'm finding that some sub pages have a PR 4, BUT we are not being spidered at all. After some more researching, I find that our search results bring up old pages instead of the new ones. Does anyone know how to send a permanent redirect in a web page running on a IIS server? Thanks.