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someone stole part of my site

then linked back to my main site

         

coosblues

11:13 pm on May 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I recently was checking backlinks on Alltheweb and found a freeserver site that had basically copied my index page (the wording but not the layout) and a couple other pages and then had the nerve to link back to my site. The freeserver site had a Pr0 but was cached by google. I don't want to get penalized for duplicate content for an action by someone unknown. I have no link to that site - did not even know it existed until a few minutes ago. Any suggestions? Thanks. I have a feeling this could have been done by a competetive site because although my site is fairly new I tend to rank fairly high in the SERP's.

Anon27

11:49 pm on May 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

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coosblues:

I also have had this happen to me, but even more blatant.
I find them the same way you did. I have a legal method of dealing with it, but it is costly. I find 2-3 per month.

I am looking forward to responces on this.

PatrickDeese

12:07 am on May 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Have you tried to contact the free server host directly?

jady

12:08 am on May 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I found this too - funny thing is they stole our entire site content AND left links back to our site AND even left our toll-free number within the text! I did a whois, called the owned of the domain and threatoned lawsuit. Needless to say, the site was taken down immediately: He blamed a "web designer" and to date (4 mos later) still no site back online.. :)

A stern email usually works... Sure cant afford to sue every copy-cat!

coosblues

12:13 am on May 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Patrick

That's my next step. I'll contact the site and hopefully some good will come out of it. I'm still very new to the webmaster world and just find it hard to believe what underhanded tactics others will take to go after the competition. My site is purely non-commercial and my thoughts are that I'm taking away from a commercial site. On top of stealing my content they even took a few photos. Does anyone know if this is something google might like to have a look at? I did try and email that sites so-called webmaster and the "bleep" even had the nerve to use my old email account. At least that's not active anymore. ERR is all I can say.

PatrickDeese

12:20 am on May 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I have found that a lot of times that for positioning reasons they are trying to grab your position by copying (and perhaps attempting to improve upon) your SEO.

Basically they leave the site up for several months, then change the content over to their own.

On the otherhand, it could be that someone trying to learn webpages used your content as filler material so they could figure out how to make webpages.

I would almost guess that since they were on a free hosting service.

Jenstar

12:57 am on May 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Write and send an immediate cease & desist (C&D) letter to the infringer. Search for email addresses on the site, and in whois, and send a cc to all you can find. Be sure to include the time/date you expect the content to be removed by (I usually have a 48 or 72 hour deadline), and that if it is not removed, you will take further action against him/her. You can find many sample C&D letters online.

If the infringer doesn't remove it, contact the host. There are many hosts that will remove the content (and often the entire site) as it goes against the TOS the hosting client agreed to when signing up, and they don't want to find themselves on the receiving end of a lawsuit because of something a client did.

You can also file a DMCA report with google [google.com...] if the results are appearing in Google.

I have had this happen to me many times, but the above has worked for me so far.

Jen

[edited by: Jenstar at 12:59 am (utc) on May 2, 2003]

Anon27

12:58 am on May 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I normally can predict when this is going to happen to me by my site stats.

I have 46 pages, and when my stats show an IP visiting all 46 within 2 minutes, I know my site has just been riped.

I find that the offender will publish the site "as is", which in turn appears to me as a new back-link in my stats. Then I go dig...

pendanticist

2:06 am on May 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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My situation is almost exactly like yours. Oddly enough these idiots actually pasted (within the html) the fact that they'd copied my material. True! Their html coding actually says: "Copied from ......."

I found My Title, My Keywords (meta tags) and the Universities URL while doing the ATW backlinks check.

Last year was the first time it happened and they did remove it. Somehow or other, this year it 're-appeard' and, once again I notified them to remove post haste which they said they did again.

Problem is, the material is now 'out there', the Engines and bots have picked it up (caching it) and traffic now comes from all over the World.

Now, when a visitor hits that copied materials URL, they end up on my custom 404 page - where I have a message which says, in part:

"If you're coming here from: http*//www.BlahBlah.html then you've just passed thru 'stolen copyrighted material' (where stolen copyrighted material is a functional link to my material, and I go on to say...) In this case, by the graces of Professor blah blah at blah blah University".

Who knows, maybe some Alumnist will see it and notify the 'offender'. In the meantime many others will see it too.

So, as it stands, I'm sitting back waiting for some legal notification from them demanding I remove the above, at which time I'll reply with a bill for about $100.00 per month for each month the material has been on the Internet - retroactive to the date of the first infraction. Naturally, they'll still be responsible for removing the 'cached' material. The longer it takes, the more they owe.

Oh, I get roughly 20-45 hits a week from that URL too. (hehehe) Hmmmm, mebe I should 'tax' them on a per-hit basis.

Good Luck!

Pendanticist.

Jenstar

2:26 am on May 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Oooh, Pendanticist, funny stuff. Too bad none of my infringers actually link to me - although I have had a few copy my content, then pay me to advertise their site with my stolen content.

Jen

annej

2:29 am on May 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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You can kind of tell if the person has copied because they are clueless and think everything on the web is free including your material. In that case you might start with a little gentler approach.

Here is a sample C&D letter that is pretty tough and direct if you find you need one. [webtechniques.com...]

There can be problems with a hostile approach though.
[webtechniques.com...]

Anon27

2:56 am on May 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Annej:

I write my letter somewhat different.

I usually detail that I have more money and time then they do (which is true) and that I will make "making their life miserable" my #1 effort (which is true).

The people "stealing" my content, code, graphics... all know what I am telling them is true, and not a bluff.

I work within a close team of people that all have various connections to resources, so putting on some pressure via reports to ISP's and registrars helps push the offenders over board. If they are cheating me, they almost always are cheating others. A look at back-links and a few phone calls to those other parties helps also.

Most sites come down within minutes.

le_gber

8:24 am on May 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hi guys,

check this threads - explains clearly and even give you the letter to be sent:

[webmasterworld.com...]

Leo

madweb

8:27 am on May 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Bot Trap

One way to discourage the use of automatic scritps which steal your site is to use a bot trap. Its not that complicated:

1. Set up a script which records IPs and puts them in your banned IPs list
2. Adjust your robots.txt file to block robots from the above
3. Link to the above using a 1x1 pixel or other such which would be followed by a robot but not by a real person.

'Bad' Robots - e.g. site stealing scripts, will ignore your robots.txt and follow the 1x1 pixel link, and your script will automatically block them from accessing anything else on your site.

There are also more sophisticated tricks available which detect common bad script user-agents etc.

Of course your site can still be stolen manually but don't make it easy for them...

aroach

3:18 pm on May 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Someone did this to me as well but I decided to leave it alone since they left all my affiliate links intact as well with my ID in them.

Yidaki

3:28 pm on May 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>Someone did this to me as well but I decided to leave it alone since they left all my affiliate links intact as well with my ID in them.

LOL. Allthough it's really funny, it sometimes scares me how dumb some people are. :/

Jenstar

3:40 pm on May 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Trust me, everytime I find another case of copyright infringement, it never ceases to amaze me how dumb some of them are (including copying my entire metas complete with my site name in the keywords and my name in the author field).

CCowboy

3:45 am on May 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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coosblues,

From what I understand, If two sites are an exact mirror the oldest one will stand and not be penalized. Also you will not be penalized by incoming links.

coosblues

4:03 am on May 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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thanks to you all for your help. I took parts of many of your inputs and sent an email off to the server. I just checked the site although the site itself (name only) is still listed my stolen material is gone except for a picture or two. Life online just as real life will never fail to amaze me. Thanks again for helping me out

Robert Scott

12:32 pm on May 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I've had this happen to me quite a few times as per others in this forum.

There have never been any negative consequences. In fact quite the opposite. My PR has never been affected and my sales have never decreased (in fact like others here, I've actually picked up extra sales until they changed the links).

Eventually they all changed their sites and links until there wasn't any resemblance and the free sales disappeared.

I'm just waiting for the next idiot to show up in my logs.

conor

1:21 pm on May 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I get this atleast once a month as well! I usually don't have the time or patience to write C&D letters :

A simple phone call to whatever number is advertised on the site or in the whois data asking for the person responable for their website's name and number informing them that my lawyer will be calling them to initiate legal action if the content is not removed within 24 hours works for me.