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Will PageRank lead to Google's downfall?

It makes crawling and indexing very inefficient..

         

IITian

7:38 pm on Apr 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I am a newbie therefore I don't know much. However, while I have seen other crawlers finish their assignments quickly, Google ones seem to take lots of time to crawl and then index.

My guess is that Google's algorithms have become too complex and rely heavily on pattern and number of links. This slows them down. On top of it, not only have the number of web pages increased significantly, people have started link rings, link farms etc., which just overburdens Google.

My uneducated guess is that Google has to change its algorithms and reduce the significance of PRs, if not eliminate, if it wants to succeed in the new battleground.

Just my $0.02.

JayC

7:52 pm on Apr 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Generally Google updates its index more regularly and frequently than any other spidering search engine has in recent years. The introduction of the "fresh" crawl has improved that even more.

has to change its algorithms and reduce the significance of PRs

As long as Google's convinced that PageRank and the current algorithms bring the most relevant search results, that's not going to happen just to shorten the period between indexes. And it wouldn't have to. A crawl and update now take a little more than a week. With no changes they could go to a bi-weekly update schedule.

I'd assume the time in between is generally spent evaluating the results and tinkering with algorithm changes.

Macguru

8:11 pm on Apr 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I agree with IITian,

The more Google gains market share the more people are interested to it, with the fatal consenquences to soon follow. Google will be a victim of it's own success, and get spammed into oblivion, if they dont refine external factors.

I guess they could hire a few more PHDs here and there to finally get "Theming" on the right track...

mrguy

8:12 pm on Apr 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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--My uneducated guess is that Google has to change its algorithms and reduce the significance of PRs, if not eliminate, if it wants to succeed in the new battleground. --

I believe it is Google that has now defined the new battleground and they are the ones people are trying to defeat.

If ain't broke, don't fix it!

Just my .02

hightraffic10

8:32 pm on Apr 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Isnt PR one of Google's best tools for getting relavant results though? Sure there are 100+ factors but Google is successful because it gives the best results. Sure there is going to be sites that spam that rank high but they will not last. There are always going to be ways to improve (spam) rankings by following search engine algo's.

Macguru

8:41 pm on Apr 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>>Isnt PR one of Google's best tools for getting relavant results though?

Yes, very true, problem is, everyone knows that by now...

BigDave

8:58 pm on Apr 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I'd assume the time in between is generally spent evaluating the results and tinkering with algorithm changes.

There is a huge amount of processing that goes into building the index that gets searched. The step that you do not see, between the crawl and the dance is the building of the *index* that is searched. Google does not search all 3 billion pages each time someone enters a search.

Dugger

9:19 pm on Apr 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>>Isnt PR one of Google's best tools for getting relavant results though?
Yes, very true, problem is, everyone knows that by now...<<

PR also leads to getting irrelevent results and IMHO Google's results are looking a lot like AV's did when they started their decline a few years ago.

For many searches sites with high PR and low or no relevence fill the serps after the first 5 or so results.

jomaxx

9:30 pm on Apr 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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There's no "downfall" coming in the near future. That would require some competitor whose search quality was as good as or better than Google's, and there doesn't seem to be one on the horizon. Plus the index has been updated on pretty much the same schedule for years, and even if the dance is a week late the only people who notice are edgy webmasters.

Having said that, Google has probably reached a high-water mark in terms of market share, simply because there's no place left to expand.

badger_uk

9:54 pm on Apr 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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"Isnt PR one of Google's best tools for getting relavant results though?"

I disagree. You could have a website that updates on a daily basis, but if your pagerank is 3 or less then you will be lucky if freshbot visits your site once a month. Google is forcing you to get links. What other search engine does this?

badgeruk

Oaf357

10:09 pm on Apr 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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PR is Google's pride and joy.

The factors that make up PR are modified often. The factors that create SERPs are modified and tweaked often. The best thing Google can do is to keep doing what it's doing.

JayC

10:43 pm on Apr 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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The step that you do not see, between the crawl and the dance is the building of the *index* that is searched.

Sure, that takes some time. But how much time? I don't know, but do we know that it's, say, three weeks -- so it prevents them from doing an update more than once a month?

Regarding some of the topic drift here, whether Google may need to make changes to PageRank or algorithms to maintain or increase the quality of their serps or to address spamming is a different topic than that brought up here, which was that they'd need to reduce complexity and decrease reliance on links because those things "slow them down."

Jakpot

1:03 am on Apr 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Pagerank - Phooey!

SEO practioner

2:02 am on Apr 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Google rocks!

roundabout

3:33 am on Apr 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>> Google will be a victim of it's own success, and get spammed into oblivion, if they dont refine external factors.

I agree. PR is a great concept, but Google should have kept the details secret. The more SEOs understand the interworkings of PR, the more successful they become at gaming the system. Google should lose the toolbar.