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My affiliate redirect to my page on Google result!

         

Cyclob

2:37 am on Apr 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I'm having some problem here. The company that I'm working for has been tricked by affiliate and I'm the one who have to take this action. Suppose we rank #4 for a particular search term for quite sometimes, but when I checked it again last week...YES, we're still at #4 but the url is belong to affiliate!

I clicked on the link, it goes to my company's website directly with affilate ID attached in the URL. I've already reported to Google but nothing! What do you guys recon?

BigDave

2:44 am on Apr 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Sounds fair to me. It's a duplicate content issue and their link has a higher PR than your main page.

grifter

2:49 am on Apr 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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you lie in the bed that you make...

markusf

2:51 am on Apr 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Thats pretty funny ;)

Cyclob

2:59 am on Apr 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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But they don't even have their own site... I mean I just can't see any, it's just goes straight to my site.

PatrickDeese

3:00 am on Apr 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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What affiliate system are you using? It isn't qksrv.net is it?

markusf

3:07 am on Apr 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Cyclob they may be using another domain and just pointing it to your domain...

Cyclob

3:17 am on Apr 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Probably, markusf... so is there anything I can do to prevent and change it back , since all of the contents and positions are ours but we have to pay commission for them (from affiliate ID attached in the URL).

dmorison

3:22 am on Apr 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hi,

Could you change the Terms and Conditions of your affiliate program and forbid whatever mechanism this person is using to drive visitors to your site.

Email all your affiliates with sufficient notice of the change (whatever your current T&C say about changing them), and as soon as the time is up nullify this persons affiliate tracking code.

Make sure you still get the hit of course, but don't credit their affiliate account after the notice period.

markusf

3:35 am on Apr 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Yup do what dmorison says. What your afiliate is doing is perfectly valid by the sounds of it.

markusf

3:35 am on Apr 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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You may want to make sure your affiliates don't use addwords as well.. (or maybe thats ok)?

john316

3:39 am on Apr 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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If you're complaining about having to pay commisions to an affiliate who ranks well in search engines (must be doing something right), maybe you shouldn't have affiliates.

You should let the affiliate know how you feel, maybe next week he sends the traffic to your competition.

JustTrying

3:44 am on Apr 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I completely agree with john316.

The affiliate is just doing their job -- and it just so happens to be a bit better than the site itself is doing.

Go60Guy

3:56 am on Apr 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I'm in agreement as well. I know of merchants who are actually delighted when their affiliates outrank them. One of the great benefits to merchants in having an affiliate program is that its a very cheap way to acquire new customers. However that's accomplished is OK with an enlightened merchant.

We often see merchants who aren't as adept at SEO as some of their affiliates. I do think the redirect is a little underhanded. I know, for instance, that doing so violates the Amazon TOS.

As far as Gooogle is concerned, I would guess that the question is whether the redirect is deceptive. You might take a look at the chache version of the page in Google just to see.

gilli

4:06 am on Apr 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Maybe I'm missing something here but I'm going to run a story by you guys anyway to see what you think.

I'm a web designer & I put links back to me in the footer of pages I make. For a while I was putting refId=clientName on the end of the link so I could tell which click throughs where doing what (I later learned this was pointless as I could just use the domain name).

Anyway after doing this for a while my site (the target of these links) appeared in Google with the url [mydomain.com...]

Hmmm, strange. After the next update some other new sites had been included in the index. My results in Google changed to [mydomain.com...]

After watching this for a while my conclusion was that Google follows a bunch of links to my site, it notices that although the url are slightly different the content is the same, it presents the link that was most recently added to its index in the SERPs.

Could this be the same as what has happened to you? Maybe the affiliate is not so evil after all?

Cyclob

4:11 am on Apr 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hi again,

Actually paying commission is not the Point, the point is they are using a redirect approach from their site that shows our website when their link is clicked on.

For the past 6 months we ranked #4 in the Google Search engine, aut this week we still hold that position but the URL displayed shows the affiliate web URL, and when if a Searcher clicks on the URL it leads to our website with the affiliate ID that belongs to this affiliate.

It seems like this affiliate didn't do anything at all except setting their domain and pointing to my site, not even create their own new site.

Paying commission is not a big deal since we are willing to pay to affiliate who drive traffic to us, but in this case...I'm just curious of how did it happen.

markusf

4:17 am on Apr 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Send me a sticky and i will take a look.

most likely his domain is pointing to yours... It would be impossible for him to get a really high spot in the rankings without some good PR

sidewinder

4:18 am on Apr 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>>Paying commission is not a big deal since we are willing to pay to affiliate who drive traffic to us, but in this case...I'm just curious of how did it happen.

But yet you've already filed a google spam complaint.

That's what some crazy merchants don't seem to understand. You start an affiliate program and then complain when one of your affiliates outranks you on these common generic terms.
They want the supers, then complain when they get them.

EliteWeb

4:32 am on Apr 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I think its fair game out there for everyone. Ill tell you I was pissed off when I ranked a site higher on the SE using a ref. URL then they got and they said I was cheating and didnt pay me. Guess what happened? The worse thing that could. :D

Pay up pay up, Do yer SEO skills or change your ranking code if you wanna avoid that.

buckworks

4:44 am on Apr 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I have seen the same thing that Gilli describes, where "variant" URLs rank better than the "real" URL.

The fact that Google picked up someone's affiliate link to show in the search results for a certain term does NOT mean the affiliate is doing anything unethical. I've seen it before with Commission Junction links and also independent merchant affiliate links, and it seems to be related to the anchor text that the affiliate has used in their link to the merchant. (The affiliate's PR is likely part of the mix too, but I'm on a Mac so can't check that.)

The way to deal with it is not to squash your affiliate, it's to polish your own SEO. Focus on getting/building more links to your main URL with anchor text that includes the most important term(s) where the affiliate is outranking you. It could be as simple as changing some of your internal site links to say something like "Blue Widgets Home" instead of just "Home". If need be, change to text links instead of graphics to achieve this.

If your terms of service reserve the right for you to approve or disapprove how the affiliate links to you, you could maybe ask the affiliate to change the anchor text in their link to you, but be careful of that because you might just be moving the situation to a different term.

markusf

4:45 am on Apr 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I just took a look..

The affiliate created domain ABC.com and pointed it to Cyclob site.

Sooo, when a crawler comes along it will use Cyclob site and pagerank. Cyclob site could be banned for using doorway/duplicate sites to drive traffic..?

markusf

4:49 am on Apr 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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On google link:www.affiliatedomain.com returns identical results as link:www.domain.com

Surely that is illegal...?

EliteWeb

5:03 am on Apr 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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markusf not illegal i have many sites which google things two are the same, possibly due to content or frame pages or even the way sites seem to be linked. Its what google decided reigned the top results and how the algarthm worked out for it.

When I join affiliate programs I do what I can do to gain top placement to get the most commission from the sells. You can if you like drop the person if you want, but id be cautious of how things go from there. I have a high PR site, if i link to your affiliate with my ID and im better ranked and more site likes to the affiliate than your site alone I may obtain top placement.

I run a topsites program, you type in the keywords and many of the people who joined their affiliate URL shows up at the top replacing my listing.

buckworks

5:10 am on Apr 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Ah, that's a little different than what I was thinking of. I thought it was the affiliate's referral URL that was getting ranked directly.

It's the "variant URL" problem with an extra layer in it, and that extra layer makes me a lot more sympathetic to the merchant.

It would depend on the merchant's terms of service -- update them if needed -- but the merchant should be within their rights to ask the affiliate to remove the redirect from the domain. It would be perfectly fair to require the affiliate to make a regular page on that domain, with a regular link, no redirect. The affilate could of course optimize it to rank well for the search term of their choice. That way if the affiliate made it into the top ten they would be doing it on the strength of their own content, and even if they outranked the merchant, they wouldn't be totally displacing the merchant.

shaadi

7:03 am on Apr 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Its a very complex problem with a very easy solution.

www . example.com/index.php?=affiliateID has same content as www . example.com but in the SERPs www . example.com/index.php?=affiliateID ranks higher.

Solution: Now use a redirect page such as partner.php so your affiliate link will be www . example.com/partner.php?=affiliateID

And most important insert these in the meta of partner.php

<meta name="robots" content="noindex">
<meta name="googlebot" content="noindex">

None of your affiliates will get free clicks from google or anyother SE. Difficult part is the affiliates should update the links quickly enough. IMHO give them the updated links and deactive the current links i.e. Here are the new links pls update / no commision will be paid on old links :-)

SebastianX

10:06 am on Apr 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Shaadi, why not put in the noindex tag on index.php when it's called with a query string?

shaadi

10:22 am on Apr 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Coz then index.php will get excluded from the SE database!

If index.php is set as default for the root domain then you will end up removing your own site from the SE database.

SebastianX

10:44 am on Apr 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Nope, I meant to put in the noindex tag _only_ when there is a query string / affiliate ID. If not, index,follow would be your choice :)

This way your page gets indexed, but the same page served to Googlebot with query string in the URL not.

johannes

12:03 pm on Apr 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Cyclob can you sticky me the urls and search words?

termcder

5:38 pm on Apr 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Good Lord, Cyclob! Who cares if one of your affiliates ranks ahead of you if they are redirecting to YOUR website.
The affiliate site did not get a #4 ranking by wishing for it. Apparently they are using a coded redirect to your site from a highly optimized page that is successfully targeting the same term that you are. Isn't that what SEO is all about?

Whether this is SPAM or not is another discussion. Whether this is a good thing for you or a bad thing for you goes without saying. Take the sales and profits any way you can get them. And be grateful for aggressive and creative affiliates.

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