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Overall quality of google results.

What are your "surfing" oppinions

         

mack

12:55 pm on Apr 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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As webmasters we look at serps and think they are great, unless we aren't listed at the top of the page. When you are searching for something that is not within your industry or market, what are your overall opinions them.

In general I think they are good but ther is one section of google search that I think tends to let the side down. "how to" queries.

When doing a search for "how to fit [part] to [type of car]" the first 3 pages where crammed with sites selling either the part or the car. You might think that google wasn't showing better results because they dont exist, they do I used another SE to find then.

Only a one of the sites seamed to be using any form of spamm, Most where perfectly ordinary sites.

Makes me wonder just how well Google handles long queries. What are your opinions on this?

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Areas within [] where made general to avoid specifics :)

killroy

3:43 pm on Apr 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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If that other site you are refering to is ask jeeves then the simple answer is that ask jeeves does natural language queries and google doesn't. Google isn't a person (no really, don't laugh!) and doesnT' knwo what you mean. Only waht you type. And youcan bet all thosed words, including "how" and "to" apeared on those pages it returned.

SN

grifter

4:22 pm on Apr 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Searching in Google for niche info is the fine art of tuning your queries, then tweaking again, bailing on combinations of words that aren't working, going to thesaurus.com when need be.

I don't think people give up on the first try. Or if they are, they're learning.

Reynard

4:42 pm on Apr 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I use Google nearly explicitly. It does great for one or two word phrases. The more you have however, the more confused it seems to get.

I have noticed that Google will sometimes try and group words.

For example, a search for

"red widgets large sprockets"

and a search for

"large widgets red sprockets"

might give different results based on the exact search terms used.

mack

4:49 pm on Apr 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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the alternative se I used was atw.

Again it didn't do to well for page 1, but got there eventuay.

steve128

5:15 pm on Apr 18, 2003 (gmt 0)



"When doing a search for "how to fit [part] to [type of car]"

No problem at all, the trouble is website owners usually want to sell the part rather than how to fit it, hence the page is optimized for a sale rather than info.

"How to...." ( except the ridiculous, how to make a million etc ) is the easiest search query to optimize, and google will find it no problem whatsoever, but the page needs to be in place and well suited to the search query.

There are thousands of DIY how to sites produced by enthusiasts and many have some great tips, unfortunately most are not put together correctly and will not be found.

They are not marketing, hence they have no need to go into fine details regards seo.

heini

5:20 pm on Apr 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Mack, in Opera you have the "Supersearch" option, which sends the same query to ATW and Google, showing serps in splitscreen mode.
Over the last several weeks I had to search extensively in several different areas. I really needed answers.
I can attest to the fact ATW often gave me the relevant information faster and more easily.

Specifically for complex phrases ATW often was ahead.
Also unusual combos, consisting of words rarely used together, were better treated by Fast's algo.

Frankly I blame Google trodding behind on their reliance on PR.

Not to give a wrong impression though: Google was often better in easy searches (one words). Also Google's db is larger.

vitaplease

5:47 pm on Apr 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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When doing a search for "how to fit [part] to [type of car]" the first 3 pages where crammed with sites selling either the part or the car.

Often I wish Google had the possiblity of varying the "exactness", "proximity" and inclusion of stopwords. Lets say an advanced search where I say give me 80% exactness instead of the full Pagerank algo. Could be some nice Google-lab test-playing.

Added: often its not Google's or any other search engines fault, its just a lack of pages with that content. We optimising webmasters generally have all the possible questions and answers as content and expect the same in other fields.

vincevincevince

6:08 pm on Apr 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Surfing? Webmasters don't surf the web do they? :-o

Google searching is an art. Liken it to the difference between a cheap electric piano and a grand piano. With the first [eg ask jeeves] it is easy to get mediocore results, but impossible to get something really beautiful. With the grand piano [google], it's hard to get make your beginners efforts sound good, every tiny aspect of touch has implications on sound. But... with the grand you can attain great heights of skill and beauty.

That is to say that Google is harder to use, but more powerful. The first lesson of google is using " a lot. Without ", it's hard to find gems.

I too wish that you could have some kind of regex search in google.

mack

6:34 pm on Apr 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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yep totaly.

ATW is coming on in leaps and bounds.

TheWebographer

8:24 pm on Apr 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Google is great for most of my searches. Put the most important keyword first.