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Is this a PR0?

a client's site has a problem

         

allanp73

5:21 pm on Apr 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hi,

About a month and half ago I got a new marketing client. Their site had been built only 3 weeks before we meet and I showed them how to redesign it for the search engines. At the time it had a pr0 but I figured this was due to its new-ness. I checked it's logs at the time and saw Google visited and figured it would be in Google in March, which it was. Still it was pr0 and today it remains pr0 even after Google's April update.
I worry that it is a dead site. The original web developer built the site with databases (ASP, which I must admit that I only partially familiar with) and no concept of marketing. When you go to main URL www.widgets.com go get redirected to www.widgets.com/UserMods/home.asp
Could this be the problem? How can I tell to certain if the site has receive a penalty?

I need help. I want this client's site to success but it is impossible to do so with a pr0 right off the bat.

ciml

5:34 pm on Apr 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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PR0 is usually not a penalty. Can you identify pages that are definitely in Google (and have been for more than two updates), that have PageRank and are linking to a non-redirecting page? If so, then you should investigate the possibility of a PR penalty but even that isn't a 100% test.

It seems very likely that the type of redirection used is preventing PageRank transfer to the destination URL. PageRank can follow redirects, but IMO it depends on the amount of PageRank and the type of redirect.

tigger

5:35 pm on Apr 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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has the site got any links pointing to it?

allanp73

6:17 pm on Apr 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I don't think it has any links yet. I was teaching the site's owner about all of this but she has yet to get links from other sites. Though I know that Google has 30 pages from her site in its index all are listed as pr0 even after two updates (only 2).
Every page of the site links back to the homepage using the www.widgets.com/UserMods/home.asp so there should be transfer of pr.

MOOSBerlin

6:35 pm on Apr 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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If the site really hasn't any links yet, PR 0 is right!

allanp73

6:53 pm on Apr 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Externally the site might not have links but the internal links should justify a pr of at least a one.

MOOSBerlin

7:22 pm on Apr 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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But how can a page get PR bigger than 0 only with internal links from a page with PR 0?

digitalghost

7:27 pm on Apr 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>>But how can a page get PR bigger than 0 only with internal links from a page with PR 0?

It can't be done. PR has to come from somewhere, it can't be generated by a site with no PR.

>>but the internal links should justify a pr of at least a one

No, they shouldn't. The internal links merely distribute PR, they don't create it.

ciml

7:29 pm on Apr 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Pages do get a small amount of 'rank source' PR, but the quantity is tiny so it can be ignored in all practical situations where we're not talking about a sizable chunk of the Web.

MOOSBerlin

7:31 pm on Apr 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Yeap, i also think so!

digitalghost

7:36 pm on Apr 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>>but the quantity is tiny

Must be real tiny, and certainly not enough to help a sub-page rank better. I don't see many pages getting into Google without at least one inbound link, but to be fair, I don't look for many pages that don't have backlinks. I can be more productive seeking links. ;)

robertito62

8:51 pm on Apr 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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ciml,

"PR0 is usually not a penalty."

So when is it a penalty?

Can I post my case here or should I start a new thread?

ciml

9:31 pm on Apr 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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DG, yes incredibly tiny. I mention it only for completeness, not because it's useful. :-)

> So when is it a penalty?

I suppose that the answer is "PR0 is a penalty when you would have PR>0 if you didn't have a penalty". That's not a very good answer, is it?

It used to be easy to check, but with Fresh listings affecting the cache, partial PR reductions, and the 'can have PR but not pass it on' penalty; it's getting harder to tell. (Congratulations Google!)

We steer away from specific cases, robertito62; if we can discuss the issues then we're likely to help more members.

robertito62

12:11 pm on Apr 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Thanks Cmil. Here is another Pr0 case.

Surfing, I came across a broken link. On checking the status of the domain -name which I liked- I noticed it had expired and was available. So I re-registered it.

At the time, it still had a few uninteresting backlinks, then those disappeared with the update prior to Cassandra and the newly developed website became a PR0. I added links and exchange some more, but still shows PR0.

What did I do wrong?
I never went to the market to purchase this domain and I never contacted any broker. The domain was available. I thought Google would credit any post-development 100% as if it had never been an expired domain.

ciml

6:18 pm on Apr 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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GoogleGuy indicated that there may be short term problems with backlinks on previously expired domains. Hopefully new links added on the basis of your new content will be credited in time.

robertito62

6:36 pm on Apr 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Thanks ciml.