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.biz and .info Google Problem Results

         

SEOPTI

9:25 pm on Mar 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Each week I see 30k spam pages using .biz and .info domains coming and going (Google bans them). Right now they are back in the index with todays fresh tag.

The fresh tag is a big chance for "short-time" spammers.
It reminds me of Dow Jones and daytrading.

It's interesting to see how some people can still do huge Google spam, being caught and then do it again with a new set of domains. Never ending spam game ;)

yankee

9:35 pm on Mar 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Yes, spammers have figured out how to get their listings in the index with freshbot. In my opinion, freshbot significantly degrades the search results of google, and needs to be fixed.

rfgdxm1

10:14 pm on Mar 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Remember, the overwhelming majority of searches that people do are non-commercial. Thus, what Google is doing works by and large, and for the most part. In cases where spammers are willing to go to the extent of putting up an endless string of disposable domains, this is almost impossible for a search engine to stop. As soon as some spam is squished, more pops up.

edneil

10:19 pm on Mar 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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One of our sites is a .info
I'm assuming that you're not classing that as spam by definition.
Why wouldn't someone spam with a .com?

yankee

11:13 pm on Mar 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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"more pops up"

Right, thanks to the freshbot. The deep crawl squashes most spam with it's algo during index creation time.

rfgdxm1

11:29 pm on Mar 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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But the freshbot also adds a lot of worthwhile informational content. For Google, with most people doing non-commercial searches, that is what they worry about most. Also, it occurs to me the spammier the commercial SERPs, then the more useful the Adwords become to users. While I don't think that Google has intentionally done things for this reason, it doesn't make doing anything about this a high priority.

Also, precisely how are you defining "spam"? To me as a user, if I run a search for purple penguins and a bunch of porn sites are on the SERP, I call that spam. However, if I search to buy widgets, and the sites that come up high are widget sellers, then to me that is relevant. What those selling widgets consider spam, and those buying them consider spam, may be different things.

WebGuerrilla

11:43 pm on Mar 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>>Why wouldn't someone spam with a .com?

It's just a matter of domain availability. .coms have been around for awhile, so the number of "good" domains left is less. When you get into .biz an .info, you can come up with the 200-300 domains you are going to use to spam much quicker.

kovacs

11:52 pm on Mar 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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.biz and .info are also a lot cheaper than .coms when you add them up over hundreds or thousands of domains.

rfgdxm1

12:05 am on Mar 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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For all the registrars I have seen .coms are as cheap, or cheaper, than .biz and .info. And as WebGuerrilla states, it is a lot easier to find a reasonable keyword rich domain name outside of .com namespace.

SEOPTI

5:06 pm on Mar 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I still belive there is a boost for .info and .biz domains, because most of them are in the top 10 just because of a freshbot visit.

yankee

6:24 pm on Mar 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I doubt these TLD's get a special boost. If they are there with a fresh tag, then the spammer must have included a link to them from a very high PR page. Just report the search query to google which is filled with these spam domains. Hopefully they'll fix freshbot in the future to avoid this junk from flooding the search results.

roundabout

6:45 pm on Mar 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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assuming these are disposable sites, in it only for the short term, they would have to generate enough revenue in a few days to exceed the cost of registering the domain, hosting and creating the site ... doesn't seem that this would work for many industries ... gambling maybe?

yankee

6:51 am on Mar 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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How much do .biz and .info domains cost?

anallawalla

6:56 am on Mar 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Yes, spammers have figured out how to get their listings in the index with freshbot.

Would it be worth moving all freshbot hits off a prominent link on the SERP, leaving only the long-term hits there? That would thwart the people who re-save their files daily with a cron job.

SEOPTI

4:15 pm on Mar 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Freshbot spam usually gets in on friday, no one works on weekends so they get at least 3-7 days huge traffic until banned.

JudgeJeffries

5:44 pm on Mar 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Exactly what industries does thus very short term hit work for?
The cost, time and effort must be huge, so the returns must be, there but for who?

yankee

12:21 am on Mar 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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toasters

SEOPTI

10:10 am on Mar 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Adult industry, earnings: 100k - 200k a week with this massive amount of spam.

Shak

10:22 am on Mar 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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.biz and .info get NO special treatment.

.com are the cheapest TLD, and as WebGuerilla said, its a lot easier to get a keyword.info than a keyword.com domain these days.

Shak