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Well, it all depends on Google's update schedule. You've probably missed your chance to get deep-crawled for the next update, and so will get deep-crawled some time in early April. If Google's April update happens in late April, then you should be OK. As we've all just been reminded, though, sometimes they slip well into the next month.
You might also be picked up and remain well-visited by the freshbot if the page has high-enough PR and is updated frequently. In that case, the "fresh" listings might just float you through.
Only Google knows their schedule, so the true answer is, "No-one but Google knows." And actually, they might not know either, if the update schedule is determined by how long it takes their computers to calculate PR on the entire slice of the web that they index. In that case, the update might be scheduled "whenever the processing is done."
Based on the historic update schedule [webmasterworld.com], I'd bet $20 you'll make it. I wouldn't bet $200, though.
Good luck!
Jim
Jim, you're right, and I don't know if it'll stick, but Freshbot's been grabbing interior pages within /directories/ on a brand new site that doesn't even have any PR yet and probably won't for over a month. It's only a small site, but the crawling is going as deep as it gets. It's a big surprise!
The fresh listings were slipping in and out of www when looking earlier today, but for hours they've remained constant with www2. This will be a very exciting update, the one coming up <fingers crossed>.
Actually, over 90% of my posts have been in either the HTML and Browsers or the New to Web Development or the ODP and Directories fora, very little in the Google forum.
I understand the basics of how Google works, but I work in telecomunications not SEO. The site in question is a hobbyist site, run by a friend. Apart from pointing the author to the W3C HTML validator, I have had very little involvement with the site itself. I had urged him (since Christmas!) to get a page on now, so that come the day it will already have been indexed.
Make sure he gets some links from related or directory pages already listed in Google.
I hope that is enough links, and done early enough for the search engines to notice the new page.
I'll let you know on 2003 May 07.
Using Mozilla 1.1, or Netscape 4.8 is there any other way to find out the PR of a page?
Based on my log file analysis of a few new sites of mine, I have noticed that the time from when the spider visited the sites to the time I was indexed varied between 4-8 weeks. Hope this helps.
[edited by: Woz at 6:43 am (utc) on Mar. 24, 2003]
[edit reason] no Promos please. [/edit]
Hoping that the freshbot finds it soon. Now have five links to the page.
However, this three word search isn't quite what most people will be using on the day. They will probably use only one or two of the words, maybe combined with one or two other words (which are all covered by this page in the text) but which when used as search terms currently result in hundreds to thousands of site listings.
It will be interesting to see where this site falls when it gets indexed. It is unlikely to be anywhere near the top for the one word searches, but I'll keep looking at the results for the "easy" three word search term to see when the site appears; then I'll see how it does on single and two word searches.
I'd bet $20 you'll make it. I wouldn't bet $200, though.
I'll second this.
However, I'd start trying to attract greshbot in a big way. It sounds like you've secured enough linkage, but the pages will still need to be updated frequently (I'd do it once a day) to keep those fresh listings up.
Good Luck
Is it enough to run an FTP script that just re-uploads the page each day, or does the content also have to be changed in some way?
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I love FTP scripts. You make a shortcut icon with a command line like:
C:\WINDOWS\FTP.EXE -s:c:\mydocu~1\scripts\upload-site01-files01.txt
You then make a text file, with the same name as you used in the above link. This file will hold the FTP instructions; inside that text file you put this:
open ftp.site.com
username
password
cd /webspace/folder
dir
send c:\mydocu~1\mywebsite\site01\folder\index.htm index.html
send c:\mydocu~1\mywebsite\site01\folder\page2.htm page2.html
dir
close
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It usually takes a few goes to get it all working, but it is then a one click site update.
In the send instructions, the first filename is the location and name of the file on your machine, and the second filename is what you want to call the file when it is on the website. That's how you got old DOS systems to still have the web filename of .html on the site, even though the office computer didn't support long file names.
The page is in, but it doesn't currently have a "Fresh" tag on it. Will it stick?
<edit>I don't know if the page was simply "found" by the spider, or whether they followed up on my submission of the site to Google, which I did yesterday evening. None of the other pages that I altered to point to the new page have been re-indexed as yet.</edit>
For my original "specific" three word search that listed only three sites in the results, there are now five listed, and we are number ONE.
For a common two word search that many people will be doing, we are number 14 out of 98 500 results. However, if you put the two words the other way around then the site is nowhere to be seen.
For another three word search, one that simply adds another word to the two word search above, we are number ONE again, out of 35 300 results.
If we use any of the three search words singly, but combined with the date of the event, then we are number ONE every single time, out of 92 or 237 or 3310 results.
Another three word search sees that page listed at position 39 out of 14 200 results.
A two word search, with the year "2003" added to the two words, sees that page listed as number 8 out of the listed 691 000 results.
For another three word search including one word I forgot that people might search with, we are not listed anywhere in the first 100 of the 7120 results. Quick site edit coming up to add another line of text including that word, which is currently not mentioned at all anywhere on the page.
The title that Google displays in the results is taken directly from the <title> tag on the site, and the Google description is taken from the meta description tag.
Now just need to keep the page stuck in Google, and try to improve some of the other words as well. That FTP script is going to run every night from now until 2003-05-07. Also going to look on Yahoo, and some other SE results, and see what they are doing.
<edit>Later: Have added another 40 word paragraph which includes the forgotten words, and another link to a useful site. Hmm, I have also discovered that the site is easily found for searches which include some other words and the date using these elements: 2003 05 07 or 2003 May 07, in any order, but the site is nowhere to be seen if the day number is typed as either a "7" or as the "7th". Now going back to fix that. Looking at the Yahoo results, they are almost as good as those from Google, first page for most searches again. What other major engines should I check?</edit>
Hmm. Just checked. The site is currently nowhere to be found on Google using any of the search terms that worked 8 to 10 hours ago. Darn! However, the page has only been online for 6 days at this point. The site has dropped out of the Yahoo SERPs as well.
[edited by: g1smd at 6:51 am (utc) on Mar. 27, 2003]
My guess is that if the freshbot found you, you should be in good shape for the next full crawl. Not sure if you put the page up in time for our March index, but April is probably quite likely.
I try to never make promises (and I don't know what your site is) but the future looks bright for you..
One of the sites I own is a directory. The front page changes about 10 times a YEAR. The inner pages automatically update about 10 times a DAY
Nevertheless, it is a PR7 site, and the front page is always fresh-tagged :)
I believe it is PR more than anything else.
GG: if only G were so quick as to pick up changes on existing pages...
Today, back in the listings with a 28 Mar 2003 tag next to the entry.
Rankings for dates including the 07 seem to have dropped one or two places on some searches, but after the editing a few days ago, the site is now findable for dates using 7 or 7th whereas before it was completely unlisted for these. All searches that had a first place listing are still first place. Now appear in the top 40 for most of the searches that we want to be found for, having added text including extra words a few days ago.
Today I have added some more text and have broken the page up with several <h2> and <h3> headings; will see what that does for us in a day or two.
The story so far: Looks like the site was found after 5 days (or my "Add URL" submission was followed up within 12 hours), then it was listed in Google for 12 hours, then it was 3 days unlisted, and now today over 12 hours listed, after freshbot revisited.
Will I have to keep on adding content to remain in the index, or will simply re-uploading the same files be enough? It looks like we are being listed when found by the freshbot. Does the content have to change, or just the file timestamp?. How long before we go in permanently? In a few days or so, or is it still a month away?
GG - is the "March Update" going to happen in April and "April update" in May?
Referring to March update we only have 2 days left...
You will be popping in and out, and moving around in rankings. That's why it's called everflux;)
Instead of trying to stuff everything into that one page, put together a couple of other pages for information surrounding the event.
Also try and get some more links coming in. The more you have, the more likely freshbot is going to keep finding you. And if you get those pages up and those links coming in before the deep crawl, the better positioned you will be in the April update if it happens in time.
GoogleGuy said:
I try to never make promises
An excellent policy anywhere in life. I always prefer to say "I'll try" than "I promise". If someone tries to pressure me into promising, I quickly change it to "I won't".
