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Here my ramblings:
Google introduced the new "expired domain filter" - which is fine and I don't care much about it except for the following:
We have bought expired domains from domain brokers because of the domain name itself and not the old baggage. The domains wehre suitable for clients projects. We developed them with conservative seo.
The domains had PR ranging from 3 to 6, through NEW links.
Now after the filter becoming active most of those are either PR0 or PR 1-2.
That sucks completely. All the new links (there weren't any special old links) are gone. Why does Google introduce a filter, if they can't handle the counting of new links?
Further it is totally unfair that Google introduces such a filter, but apparently can’t even reset penalties that might have occurred ages ago at the same time old links are reset?
Is this fair?
PS: pls excuse my bad english.
It really does look like there is some sort of bug in the filter. As a programmer, I can tell you that anecdotal bug reports on a forum are almost useless. Sitting around waiting is also useless. Write up the detailed report that I mentioned in my earlier message. Give them your facts in as clear of a manner as you can. Include any dates for links and registration. The easier it is for the programmers to reproduce the problem the quicker they can solve it.
With the deep crawl now starting, the sooner you all get those bug reports in, the better the chance that they can fix the problem by the march update. If you wait too long it could easily be the April update before things are fixed.
I would tend to believe that since Google knows the domain did not exist for a time (but linkers were tarty at removing dead links) and now the domain name is back suggests that the algo uses time stamping and zeros the counter.
If this is the case a newly developed link should start the PageRank process again.
I don't believe Google penalitizes the domain >> for forward development just does not allow back credits.
GG might expand on this... but I really can't see penalizing a domain "forever" for forward thinking.
The editor really might not even notice it. There are many areas of the ODP where it can take many months to years for a red to acted in. If some editall checks out the reds in that cat, if they click on a link in the Widgets category and see a site about widgets there, they'll likely clear the red, and likely also change the site name (which probably will be different with the new owner), and just assume the site owner had changed the name.
It is a PR0 flat for all pages on the site. I have actually have a inbound link from another of my PR4 site but after seeing this, I immediately remove the inbound link because I don't know what will happen next, whether my PR4 site will get PR0 for linking to it.
Fortunately, I don't really rely on traffic from that PR0 site.
kwngian
Watch what you say Beachboy lest Google cast all your domains into the flaming hell that is PR0. ;) Although I myself actually would like Google to get some serious competition. Yahoo/Ink would be that.
I have had many expired domains that I purchased and built links to them myself and google just deleted all the links even the ones I built.
poet22,
Ditto here. To my knowledge, at the time of purchase my domain didn't have any Google backlinks...I bought the domain last August for other reasons but it seem to have been caught in their filter.
Another one of my recently developed sites is also an expired domain - I did not know this until I set the site up and started getting traffic from directory listings previously established.
I feel Google might want to put less emphasis on AUTOMATED filtering, and just get some staff whose entire job is sifting through the SERPs and removing spammy sites, and checking other sites before they fall victim to an automated filter.
Just my .02
(A Google fan)
Submit a bug report to google naming dates and places, and help them debug the thing.
How many computer programs do you know that worked first time out?
I don't buy this...software should work by the time it is ready for public release, especially when it affects so many people. I will assume that Google can garner enough test data to verify its algorithm before applying to its production systems.
I have already sent one email, if I get some sort of a reply I'd be more than willing to provide them all the details they need.
software should work by the time it is ready for public release
But it works just fine. I have yet to try a search this update where I had trouble finding a page with the information that I was looking for.
As a programmer, I will tell you that a "bug report" that is just whining that it's broken gets deleted almost instantly. A very detailed bug report is the one that gets printed out, and becomes the test case. It is in *your* best interest to be the test case. If you are the test case, your's is the one that is guaranteed to be fixed.
If you complain without a detailed report, and you happen to be a corner case, they may never find that corner case. Everyone else with a similar, but slightly different problem, will happily get their fix, and you will still be sitting their fuming.
Of course you are free to make your choice to just keep complaining about it on WW, but I would be trying to do everything I could to get the problem solved.
Simple Question:
Will links be counted that are gained AFTER a site is re-registered (expired domain)?
Ex. I register an expired domain today. Tomorrow (or 2 weeks from now) I start trying to get appropriate links. Will those links count just as if that domain was new(not previously registered)?
Thank you
What GG said:
it will take 2-3 months for things to be fully deployed
The key word is *fully*. Read carefully that appears to say that it's in use, but not completely implemented.
It sounds like a gradual process - which could make it harder to accidentally go overboard and also make it a little more complicated for those who analyze to detect why certain things are happening if there are some other subtle algo changes that happen simultaneously.
What I do wonder is if it will affect domain names that did not expire, but were bought by another party for branding or type-in traffic purposes for a site on the identical topic and theme.
It might not be fool-proof to be able to distinguish between those, but I'd assume that even with a sold or transferred domain the links prior to the current owner might be discounted simply to avoid foul play. There have to be (or will be) some out there setting up multiple company names or whois info to get around the filter.
As a programmer, I will tell you that a "bug report" that is just whining that it's broken gets deleted almost instantly. A very detailed bug report is the one that gets printed out, and becomes the test case. It is in *your* best interest to be the test case. If you are the test case, your's is the one that is guaranteed to be fixed.
Well said. Most people don't realize that software is not REALLY tested until it is industry tested.
As always your opinions are very informing. I still would like to hear a response from GoogleGuy.
Thank You
You should go read the thread where GoogleGuy announced the filter. That should answer your question. you should be able to find it by doing a site search on "googlegram expired"
Thank you for the obvious advice.
I don’t ask questions before I research them.
Thank you for the help.
It seems the implementation hasn't worked out so good so far though.
I didn't even realise one of my domains was previously owned until this month. Thought that we'd thought up that name all on our ownsome, heh.
But as far as I can tell, the last activity on the domain was 2000. Unfortunately, they were selling similar stuff, and as fate had it, seems that they also had a link from a PR6 site that we now have a link from. But it is a "new" link that we organised.
And as we are a new site, and that was our only main link at this point in time.... boom! We're outta the results. Even though it looks like there was 2 years on inactivity on the domain (and 2 years without that link there).
So this update has done us over completely.
Makes it much harder starting a site - gotta have a few links before it gets stable.
I guess we can't blame Google though - but sheesh, it's a long time until the next update all of a sudden.
Anyway, I'm off to try and find some NEW, TASTY, and original links. With more vigour than before.
To convey information about; make known; impart: communicated his views to our office.
To reveal clearly; manifest: Her disapproval communicated itself in her frown.
To spread (a disease, for example) to others; transmit: a carrier who communicated typhus.
v. intr.
To have an interchange, as of ideas.
To express oneself in such a way that one is readily and clearly understood: “That ability to communicate was strange in a man given to long, awkward silences” (Anthony Lewis).
Ecclesiastical. To receive Communion.
To be connected, one with another: apartments that communicate.
Thought this might help in case someone loss the dictionary at the googleplex.
Thank You
GG wrote: Definitely send in detailed reports if you think you see a problem...
Felina send a query to Google (also note your WebmasterWorld nick) I sure they will take a look.
As with anything new there is bound to be bugs... but I doubt Google will Zero the effect of all "new" links that you yourself have developed since purchasing the domain.
