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Is the link game the only answer?

         

cutiger

6:26 pm on Mar 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Unfortunately, I have a PR of zero. I have never linked, participated or ventured into link farms or other tactics deemed "No-No" by google. Is the only way to get my PR up is to do link exchanges? Also, will sites with a higher pagerank (all..at this point) avoid me like the plague since I am starting from scratch? Is it safe to assume if I never link I will never get off the island called PR 0?

topr8

6:29 pm on Mar 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

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if you never get an incoming link to your site then yes you will always be pr0

start at dmoz.org

cutiger

6:30 pm on Mar 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I have submitted with no luck. Is it standard practice for them to ignore people or are they just overwhelmed?

mrguy

6:34 pm on Mar 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Start out linking to lower PR sites if the higher PR sites will not give you one.

Check the sites over to make sure they are not linking to any bad neighborhoods if you link back to them.

By linking to lower PR sites, you will start to get some inbound links and eventually get your PR to increase which will open the door to getting links from higher PR sites.

It is a process that takes time and will not happen over night.

Also, review your site to ensure your taking advantage of the links your pages can give yourself. If you have many pages, you can generate quite a few backlinks if done right.

Every little bit adds up in the long run.

SlyGuy

7:05 pm on Mar 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

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start at dmoz.org

I have submitted with no luck

Try going after local directories (focused on your town, city, state, province..etc..)

Keep pluggin' away..keep sending our link requests..keep searching for new sites and directories to submit too..

Build up your internal link structure like MrGuy suggested

Good luck,

- Chad

cornwall

7:09 pm on Mar 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

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If Google have, for whatever reason, penalised you, then no backlinks will show, even if you have them.

In other words if you have a link from DMOZ and Google give you a white 0 bar, then the DMOZ link will no longer show up as a lonk.

Try with TravelNow to see that although they have links, they show up as zero links when you interogate Google on incoming links

rfgdxm1

7:25 pm on Mar 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>start at dmoz.org

Bad advice, as it could be well over a year before his site is reviewed and added. Best is to beg a link from a relative, friend who has a site with decent Google PR. Those kind of links can be got in a few days.

cutiger

7:48 pm on Mar 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

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What is a decent PR to beg a link from? PR4 and higher?

BigDave

7:50 pm on Mar 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I'm with rfgdxm1 on this one. Get a link from a friend or even give yourself a low PR link from a profile at some group that you participate in. Does your hosting company have a list of "sites we host"?

It won't give you a high PR, but it will at least get you away from that dreaded PR0.

glengara

8:35 pm on Mar 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

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If it's kosher and in my ball-park, I'll give you a link ;-)
Check out my profile to see if we're even talking the same shaped ball.

topr8

8:40 pm on Mar 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>>>start at dmoz.org

well its good advice, although it takes a while you will get a link eventually, but be creative as to which cat you submit too,

however i meant START at dmoz. of course you must keep going, pay yahoo if required - this is pretty much a guaranteed way of starting yourself off.

then get links in free directories regional/whatever.

then start on a link exchange hunt with similiar sites, some will be happy to exchange, also the vast MAJORITY of webmasters have no idea what page rank is, so if you are a zero or very low, it won't put them off anyway.

taxpod

8:57 pm on Mar 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

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topr8 said it all but after you spend 10 minutes at Dmoz and 15 at Yahoo!, think about spending the hours and hours we all have spent trading links. If somebody won't trade with you because you're PR0, F'em and move on. the thing is that if you put in the start up time, then the other sites will start coming to you asking for you to link to them and so goes the world.

One strategy which might work is to link to a site you like which isn't too big and sure of itself. Then write the webmaster of the site saying, "hey, I really like your site. I just wanted to let you know I liked it so much I posted a link to it from the site I just started." Do that 50,000 times and if you don't get at least a 1,000 inbound links I'd be surprised. Don't feel energetic enough to do it 50,000 times? Do it 500 times and maybe you'll get 10 inbounds.

The thing is that it takes a lot of work to get those first inbounds but after a while the thing really does take a life of its own.

Also, if you want to make sure whether you do have any backlinks - even if they don't show up in Google - try Fast or AV.

cutiger

9:08 pm on Mar 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Alright I went to alltheweb and saw I have one page linking to me with PR6, I know they have had us up there for a while. My ques. is how many of these are needed to get off PR0? ten, twenty, hundred?

Shak

9:12 pm on Mar 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Alright I went to alltheweb and saw I have one page linking to me with PR6, I know they have had us up there for a while. My ques. is how many of these are needed to get off PR0? ten, twenty, hundred?

1 PR6 link should definately get you off PR0, unless a penaly is applied.

that is assuming that the PR6 is an "actual" PR6 and not a guessed PR based on rest of the site, and also the fact that its not 1 of the few sites which can NOT pass PR.

Shak

rfgdxm1

9:15 pm on Mar 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>I'm with rfgdxm1 on this one. Get a link from a friend or even give yourself a low PR link from a profile at some group that you participate in. Does your hosting company have a list of "sites we host"?

The strategy here is quite simple. If you can get a link on a well spidered page from someone that is in all the search engines, this is ALL you need to do to get in all of them. Their spiders will follow it and add you. Thus e-mail cousin Kim and ask her to add a link on her well established hobby site to your site. As for what is "decent" PR, I'd say PR4 or better. However, even if cousin Kim's page is PR3, still better than nothing. Remember, PR *isn't* the whole ball game. I could get a site to do well in Google easily with a PR3 if the target keywords weren't all that competitive. Sure, I wish I could get my 2 sites up to PR7 or PR8 from their current mediocre PR5. However, I'm kicking ass big time in the Google SERPs with that mediocre PR5. PR is like something else that is well known. It ain't how big yours is, it is how well you use it. ;)

Mohamed_E

10:01 pm on Mar 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

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> that is assuming that the PR6 is an "actual" PR6 and not a guessed PR based on rest of the site

Another source of incorrect toolbar PR is in sites using frames (which I am woefully ignorant about). I do know, though, that they can display an overly high PR (perhaps that of the home page, not too sure), and that one way of finding their true PR is to right click on the link (with IE) and select "display in new window".

I would love some details from someone who knows more about this than I do :)