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is a brand name or trademark allowed in domain name?

         

mikem72

1:02 am on Dec 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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i mean, could i register

xerox-official-site.com
xeroxisabeeeatch.com
ihatexerox.com
xeroxiswonderfull.com
xeroxian.com

I know Xerox could sue me on at least the first two. But what about the last one?

or 123Xeroxmachine.com

Has anyone seen any cases on this kinda thing?

pageoneresults

3:10 am on Dec 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Hello mikem72, welcome to WebmasterWorld. We typically try to refrain from getting into legal advice, especially on a topic so fragile.

If I'm not mistaken, the term Xerox® is a Registered Trademark and I believe you would be in violation of Trademark Infringement.

Lisa

9:02 am on Dec 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Here is a good news article on a CNN UDRP case [demys.net]. CNN just won the largest case in UDRP history, I think you will find it an interesting read. I think it will answer your questions. Yes, you can register them, but be prepared to suffer the wraith of lawyers at your front door. Don’t ever try and make money on a hot domain with a trademark in it.

creative craig

9:15 am on Dec 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Heres something in the news about a similar topic recently:

[theregister.co.uk...]

Craig

fumbler

1:49 am on Dec 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

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i am wondering the same thing. apparently one of the domain names i registered for my web design business - which is a legally registered business name - is a trademark.

the only information i can find online is in the case of cybersquatting and that's about it

rcjordan

1:57 am on Dec 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

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>one of the domain names i registered for my web design business - which is a legally registered business name - is a trademark.

<disclaimer -I'm not a lawyer>

Happens all the time. Whether you have a legally registered business name is likely to be of little consequence unless you can document that you had the term in use before they did (in use, not necessarily trademarked first). The other factor that quickly comes to play is whether you're in the same category of business --the key issue there being whether your use will confuse the consumer. If this domain is mission-critical, you need to pursue the possible legal problems asap.

fumbler

2:10 am on Dec 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

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i'm a web geek in vancouver - they're a band i'd never heard of in toronto.

the name comes from (but is not) a nickname that i've had since about 1996 and their band has apparently been around for two years.

not sure what to do - sitting here utterly confused and searching the net about it.

ScottM

2:24 am on Dec 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Having recently gotten a very 'firm' certified letter from a major TV network desiring that I hand over a domain name to them...I think it's best to be careful.

2 things to consider:

Does the domain name confuse the public or dilute the trademark?

If so, be prepared to lose the case if it goes to court.

Secondly, is it worth the fight? Ask yourself is it worth the hassle; including the malicious activites that could be done on the part of the trademark owner behind the scenes? I'm not saying they WOULD, but I am suggesting that if anyone gets upset enough they MIGHT be tempted.

Just some suggestions.

I gave up the domain without a fight. Wasn't worth it. But I will be getting a check from them for my costs.

rcjordan

2:32 am on Dec 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

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In the US, it costs noticeable $$$ to research and register a trademark. Besides, I believe it is a requirement that a mark holder pursue anyone they believe is treading on their brand. This means that the mark holder is often aggressive about the mark. (I've been in two, ummmmm, negotiations with Fortune 1000 companies regarding some geographic names they've trademarked. I won one, fought the other one to a draw.)

If you're not using the domain in anything related to music, you might be OK, but you're never really sure with trademarks. Even if you hold a mark, it can be contested based on prior use and it can be lost.

Again, if this is a serious business issue with you, a lawyer is your next stop.

NFFC

2:38 am on Dec 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

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>a lawyer is your next stop.

What RC said.

> But I will be getting a check from them for my costs.

I have a friend who sucessfully plays his "costs" against the expenses of the other party, sometimes both parties can be happy.

ScottM

2:42 am on Dec 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Besides, I believe it is a requirement that a mark holder pursue anyone they believe is treading on their brand.

Yes, this is very true. AND, as an added problem for trademark holders, if they do NOT pursue infringements, they lose some credibility in any lawsuit.

So, I would suppose that if you could find other people/websites using the disputed trademark, it would actually help your case.

A trademark is only useful if you protect it.

<added>One more thing-State issued trademarks differ from Federal Trademarks in the US, but that's a whole 'nother subject.</added>

ScottM

2:51 am on Dec 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I have a friend who sucessfully plays his "costs" against the expenses of the other party, sometimes both parties can be happy.

In this case, time is of extreme essence. The domain will only be 'good' for about 2 months....then dead.

It was my first time...so I weighed the costs (My time fighting it and being a...ahem...'first time offender' against the 'value' of the domain...which was not very high.)

The check will be a good conversation piece. :)

rcjordan

3:14 pm on Jan 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>you're never really sure with trademarks. Even if you hold a mark, it can be contested based on prior use and it can be lost.

Lindows .com submitted declarations from expert witnesses and trade press articles from the 1980's, when several software companies were offering desktop environments. They spoke of the "window wars" of those years and had headlines like "Microsoft Does Windows."

the judge wrote, "one could just as easily conclude that in 1983 Microsoft made an equally risky decision to name its product after a term commonly used in the trade to indicate the windowing capability of a G.U.I."

NY Times [nytimes.com]

raja4

7:11 am on Jan 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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When I was new, I made a mistake of registering brand names in our URLs and we ended up losing almost all of them.

There is not much you can do if you violate any trademarks or brand name. I suggest you stay away from using any trade marks in any of your URLs.

Thanks
Raja