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snapback names - but didnt get it ?

service ?

2:25 am on Mar 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Any of you'll had a snapback service failed you.

well i might be the first case.

9:17 am on Mar 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I've never used it. But I do know it may fail if the orignal owner registers the domain just before it is released.
11:23 pm on Mar 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Snap Names is successful on crappy names (names no one wants except you). Two letter, three letter, dictionary words, and other valuable names will not be picked up using Snap Names. If you really want a two letter or three letter domain or a name that is worth more then $5000. Then you will need a dedicated Registrar and 300,000 connections to the Registry.
12:40 am on Mar 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Mine is not such a glamourus name but rather a company branding name with a regional name combined. I just don't really know how the system works. - 300K to the registry ?
8:23 am on Mar 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Well, 300k is what I use for names I want. But then again I don't win the very best names. I sometimes loose but not often. I am aware of people in Korea which actually own their own registrar and they use a lot more. It is like playing the lottery, the more requests a second the better your chances. You can bet if a generic dictionary word is dropping that there will be millions of requests per second for that domain by all the registrars combined. True Drop chaser, allocate more resource the more valuable the domain gets. So for example, if ace.com, travel.com, and jg.com were dropping the allocation would be very high for those names.

This current drop (20k domains) there is not one domain which is 4 character or less. Usually there are lots. I suspect NSI is hording the valuable ones until the WLS begins. But they would never admit it. They have the two powers, The power of Monopoly and Denial! :)

For rookies and the General Public, SnapNames is the only way they can play the game. If Snap is trying to fulfill lots of orders they have to allocate less and less resources per domain. And SnapNames is not even directly grabbing the domains themselves. So I would suspect that even if a valuable domain did drop with their partners that the partner would not give the domain to SnapNames. So in general SnapNames is only good for one thing. Domains that only non-experts want.

8:34 am on Mar 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

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hmmm, that's real tough. So how do you get connected 300k times requesting for that domain to be purchased I presume ? All the 300K is automated connections to the regisry I presume ?

Keep on requesting for that domain & then register it once released.- so that's how the system works.
Wow, then u must be in the game of domain. Hmmm- you're good. expert to say the least

3:20 am on Mar 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I got one good name I have been watching for a few months through SnapNames tonight.

Lisa_Lia: You seem to know how to get info on when drops will take place and what names are part of the drop. Could you please share some info on that? Thanks.

6:40 pm on Mar 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Well, for example 109,593 domains were deleted today. That mean they are getting ready to dump a lot pretty soon. I calculate these lists myself. I have four dedicated machines in my basement that are humming away. More machines to be added soon.

Sharing what domains are going to drop and when is valuable information. My information is only used in-house. Perhaps I will make that information accessible to the public but not yet. Give me a few months. I am actually working on a domain name search engine that will smoke anything that currently is out there.

7:28 pm on Mar 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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No offense, but this sounds pretty unreasonable. First of all, there are less than 100 .com registries in the world, and only 4 in korea. A list by country can be found here:

Secondly, why would you be tracking that many domains. From what I understand, the drops can only be detected by continuously polling the whois information on the domains you are interested in (using a large database for example). If you are looking for valuable domains, there is little point in tracking as many as you would seem to be tracking. One would expect you to keep domains in your database that passed some type of filter such as a dictionary lookup, length, inclusion in various directories, link pop, etc. A 47 letter domain with numbers, dashes, and no link pop is hardly worth the resources to monitor it.

Thirdly, 300,000 simultaneous connections across 4 machines seems a little far fetched to me. I run on a shared university line (fat pipe) and I don't suspect my computer could get anywhere near 75,000 simultaneous connections going. Even on a 100mbps internet connection per PC(very costly), you're still connecting at a measly 1.3kbps per connection(I think my math is correct). You'd end up with alot of terminated sessions one would think.

There exist expiring domain search engines, and namewinner.com<?does this need snipping?> even maintains a pretty large tab-delimited list for free(over 20k at the moment). There isn't much you can do to improve upon such an engine besides quantity of domains.

8:05 pm on Mar 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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You may not understand all the complexities. First off I never said I used just 4 machines for connections (I use four machines to calculate). And second, I simply will not provide all the information on what I do. But I often find that the weak point in connections is the Registrar I have to tunnel through. I have had many discussions with numerous registrars because I have either crashed their systems or got them in trouble with the Registry. If you knew what I knew you would not be so quick to judge. For your information one of the registrars I crashed with that many connections was Dotster (NameWinner). Since I crashed them (Pre-NameWinner days) they have increased their capacity greatly and have started doing what I have been doing long before them. You are most likely not even aware of the secondary connection pool that Verisign SRS has setup for the excess demand they receive on drops.

“why would you be tracking that many domains”
Because I can.

“From what I understand”
Well, your understanding needs expanding. :)

“Namewinner even maintains a pretty large tab-delimited list”
Yes they do… But they don’t include everything! I am watching their list. And there is things they don’t put on that list.

I have been in this business long before Snap or NameWinner even thought about it. Both SnapNames and NameWinner know my private telephone number. They call me every few months to pump me for info. I have beaten them both on some very good names. Those services are serving thousands. I only serve myself. So I can dedicate more resources for the domains I want.

12:17 am on Mar 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

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AWEsome - let me check my domain if it's still available.
12:21 am on Mar 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

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G, it does happen, and there is a pattern to the drops. It's been on again-off again for most of the last year when and how things are dropped. It's only NSI that isn't playing fair. They are fastly earning a rep as the ms of the domain name business.
4:44 pm on Mar 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I have been using the drawing on [snapnames.com...] (Inside the DNS Deletion Cycle) as a reference to understanding the process involved when names are made available for re-registration.
There are two issues I would appreciate if anyone can help me with:

1) Is the "In Purge" period ever less than five days?

2) Does the registry deletes names (making them available for re-registration) at a set time on the relevant day? I believe I have read somewhere that they do this around 2PM PST?

6:12 pm on Mar 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

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1) The Purge can be 3-14 days. The average purge is 3-7 days.

2) Well, the time used to be 3:30am PST it is now 11am PST. However, when the clock strikes 11am your name will not just appear. The dump in groups. usually a few thousand at a time until they are all "Available" again.

1:16 am on Mar 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

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So this domain has already expired & another co n it's place is using the existing DNS to run their site - i know is possible - but the registrant is different from the existing site.
So my question is, will NSI ever going to release this name expired since Nov.
Will the existing site owner going to get it either ? it's not a hot domain.
1:25 am on Mar 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Well, in my experience unless a year has gone by don't give up hope. I am still tracking domains that expired at NSI back in 1999, which are not released yet. 99.99% of all domains that are over-expired do drop within a few months. Don’t expect them to drop sooner then 3 months. 2 months they usually warn the current owner by turning off DNS. Then a month or two or three later they release the domain into the purge cycle. That is Typical.

But registrars and other special people can flag domains with up to 13 different codes so they don’t fall back into the public. The best flag is legal, because those take years to fall and they usually don’t.

2:01 am on Apr 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Lisa: Thanks for the interesting insight .

What kind of system and connection do you need to make 300000 connections.

So you make 300000 connectiosn to the registrar like enom which on the other side make the same connection for you.

Can you please answer.

Do you snap names for other people for some kind of fees.

Please let me know

My email is vvishal@yahoo.com

4:58 am on Apr 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Sorry, I do not collect domains for others. If you want a domain I suggest you go to a company that specializes in that.

This game has changed so much since I first started playing back in the late 90's. But the game is almost all over. Another couple months and the game will get replaced by WLS.

5:21 am on Apr 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

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DO you know of any company that specializes in that
6:31 pm on May 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

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yes, SnapNames does. :)