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When to use a .Net TLD instead of a .Com TLD? What factors to consider?

Also, what is the difference in value or aftermarket cost?

     
9:40 pm on Dec 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Hello,

I am thinking to develop a new site that is consisting of a 2word generic .net tld.

the same generic 2words are an existing .com as well (not mine) and i have 2questions:

1. how would you value a .net rather then a .com
2. do you think the site will suffer loss of traffic caused by confusion since the .com is existing..etc

any other .net information will be appreciated.

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Stick to .net for net related, unless the demographic associated with the .net is huge. For example, I'd settle for BigCitydotnet if I could get it for a modest amount.

Confusion? Well, if the .com "isn't doing much" (parked, etc.) you may find spillover traffic from people looking for the real thing by typing in the .net domain. There is a type-in and likely memory bias towards .com. Might there be a future SE bias that weighs the .tld? Possibly, but it's likely to be 1 of 100 factors.

Value? So much depends. 1/10 to 1/1000th or greater variation between net and com. You don't see many 5 and 6 figure dot net sales reported at DNJournal, but you see plenty of such sales for dot com domains. A killer 2 word net related .net is likely more valuable then 2 generic words simply appended to a .net.

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Webwork,

To best explain/describe the subject/domain without being specific i would say it is a non net related industry though the domain provides solely online advertising for that industry... in addition... the .com is a fully working site.

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You'll leak return type in traffic to the .com.

That said... if the .com is not a direct competitor, or is not near your level of quality, then many people will remember that they meant to go to the .net, and retype.

I'd rather add an extra word and be the .com, personally.

If the .com is a competitor, or even has an active wesite, I'd rather not lose the traffic.

I don't agree with Webwork on this...

Stick to .net for net related

I'm biased. I have some very well performing .net domains that I wouldn't consider to be "net related," besides that they are offering advice about things on the internet... certainly not datacenter, programming, or hosting type things. They rely on SE traffic, even have dashes in some cases, and I know I lose some type ins when people are looking for my site again. Too late to fix at this point, but I don't feel resticted by a .net.

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hmmmmmmmmmmm

I'm no authority on the subject but some say if the .com has an actual live working site, then in a name dispute they could make you give up your name --- or the same holds true in reverse. If you are the first to have a live working site in .net, then the .com could be forced to lose that name.

It might be rubbish, it's just hearsay, but it comes from a source i respect for accuracy.

I do know that ebay made eggbay (a niche auction) abandon it's name and it's now called eggbid

I would never build something i think will be big on any extension that has a live working site, even if that name is not trademarked.

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If nothing else, I think you'll stand to lose a percentage of your repeat traffic to the .com site.

Folks tend to assume .com TLD, so you'll be in the position of drawing type-in traffic for your competition.

I'd go with a different name.

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There's a line from the movie "Contact" that states, in effect, that if there's only life on planet earth then that means there's a lot of wasted space in the cosmos.

So, if there's a site - Widgets.com - a nice, generic, dictionary word or commone phrase domain, with a few million G hits or more for that word or common parlance phrase - the idea that Widgets.com has exclusive rights to cyberspace means there's a lot of wasted cc tlds out there. No widgets.co.uk, nor widgets.tw, widgets.jp, .org, .info, .biz, et. al.?

I hate to think so. That would mean there's a lot of wasted domain space.

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i have a friend who owned both amaryllid dot com and amaryllids dot com

and developed the later domain to showcase and talk about over 50 species of amaryllids that he grows

the singular and plural of this word has been in international use for over 200 years as describing the plants he grows

the Aventis Drug Company claimed he violated their trademark of the drug amaryl and filed a formal complaint with the world intellectual property organization

that was last September and it drug on til recently when he lost the names

i was sure it would be decided in his favor

sometimes there is no justice --- and i don't think there is any provision for appeals

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this is the worse case i'm aware of,

you can see where ebay could have a beef with eggbay since they were both auctions, but this was just crazy

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slimkim, here's a few lines from the WIPO domain arbitration decision. [arbiter.wipo.int]

On or very soon after March 17, 2005, both disputed domain names were put up for sale by means of a link to “www.afternic.com”, an online domain name auction service. During this time both sites carried miscellaneous matter including the Complainant’s trademark, together with links to other information and products connected with the correction of insulin deficiency.

The website at “www.amayllid.com” remained largely in this state up until at least the time the Complaint was filed. The website “www.amaryllids.com” was withdrawn from sale and matter of a botanical nature was then posted on the site.

Can't quite agree that it was the worst of all WIPO decisions based upon the stated facts.

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interesting - there may have been factors i'm not aware of

the first thing that comes to mind is the likihood that the pages were parked at a domain parking service and that ads for such drugs were shown

but not sure about anymore, the owner seems like a fine upstanding guy to me and has been helful on many occasions

interesting

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this is the worse case i'm aware of,

It gets much much worse... banco.com, for instance.

I'd still add a new word and get a .com. If we're talking about a generic 2 word phrase and the .net is not registered, then I bet you can easily find a 3 word .com that will be better, including the 2 words you want. In that case, you don't leak when people intend to find you.

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if the .com is a decent site, stay away from the .net

I'd much rather use keyword1.com than keyword.net if keyword.com is used.

you'll spend your days on the phone saying "make sure to type in .net not .com"

if you are going to be a search engine based site, .net is fine....