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A Squatted Domain

How do I get it back?

         

duhboy

1:11 am on Apr 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Hello all
I could really use a helping hand. During a conversation with a new client today, I am told of a family member’s domain which is “squatted” by an adult site. The owner of the site is very ill, has next to no computer skills and has had her legitimate business site taken over by someone in the adult site business. I have looked into this and it would appear that she has allowed her domaine name registration to expire. I have checked the wohis thing but the results are hazy at best.

This family business has numerous links established and changing domain names would be a real pain.

So how can I help this lady? She certainly has larger issues on her mind, yet I think that if this problem could be resolved she would be grateful.

Thanks in advance for your help.
Duhboy

PatrickDeese

1:22 am on Apr 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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The only thing you can do is offer to buy the domain. Unless the domain name is a registered trademark, you are not likely to be able to do anything legally.

At any rate if you filed a wipo complaint, the minimum cost is (I believe) $1500 for filing, plus your legal fees.

If it doesn't have a lot of PR and traffic - you should be able to acquire it for a couple of hundred dollars.

jomaxx

3:14 am on Apr 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I would have guessed a number in the thousands to get it back. These people are blackmailers; they put porn on the domain to create the maximum urgency in getting the name back.

Edwin

3:31 am on Apr 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Remember, if you let a domain name "expire", it's not "your" name any more. It's available to anyone. The domain name has not been "taken over", it has been "re-registered". While I don't particularly like the folks who buy up expired names and point them at porn (give all domainers a bad reputation, IMO) it's still important to bear in mind that they are the legitimate current owners of the domain in question - and that should colour your approach to them accordingly.

That's just how the rules of the domain industry work: the moment you stop paying (and allow too much time to elapse), you lose ALL rights to the domain name.

If the domain name does not incorporate a trademark (which would give you additional protection through WIPO, as already mentioned) you're going to have to re-purchase it... and if that's the only avenue open to you, you need to be as non-confrontational as possible in doing so. Most large players have thousands of domains or more, and won't take kindly to any attempt at "strong arm" tactics.

PatrickDeese

3:46 am on Apr 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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> they put porn on the domain to create the maximum urgency in getting the name back.

No they don't. They do that to get maximum revenue for the domain with pre-existing traffic with minimal effort.

Porn spammers are people. You may very well get a reasonable human at the other end of the email.

Just tell them a reasonable excuse - "My client was ill and the domain expired, this domain belongs to a family business. We understand you have invested money in purchasing this domain (from a company like Pool) and we'd be interested in negotiating the repurchase.

I know because this happened to two people I know, one client and one acquaintance - and I was able to negotiate the repurchase.

Webwork

4:15 am on Apr 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Play nice first. Whatever revenue they're making chances are they will accept some multiple of that. I'm going to guess you would get in under $1,000. unless there are many, many, inbound links.

After trying to play nice determine the source of the inbound links and ask them to delink because people who click - thinking they will get Company ABC - will actually get porn. That's round 1. Kill the traffic and you kill the value of the domain.

Round 2: If it's really important and your client is being "held hostage" then find a creative and aggressive lawyer. If my memory serves me, not so long ago the business of using typo domains to direct "innocents", likely children, to porn sites was made a federal crime. You might want to explore this angle.

Take a look here: [uspto.gov...]

And there's a nice analysis of this law here:

[keytlaw.com...]

It's possible that the public policy behind the federal law could serve as a basis for a civil lawsuit here - where someone is pretty obviously trading on your client's company's good name and reputation, to their detriment. You can probably find an expert to testify to the practice of snapping up expired domains and using them for their existing traffic. If you file the lawsuit and survive the initial flurry of motions to throw it out chances are you will get to prove to a jury how this character makes it a habit of trading on other people's good names and unfortunate domain drops. I can't imagine a jury would take long to deliver the bad news and possibly bankrupt the bad actor.

Play nice first. Chances are money will talk and it won't be a fortune. If that fails miserably then there are other options.

duhboy

1:52 pm on Apr 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Hello all
Thanks for all the input. I will pass it along and let's hope for a nice ending.
Thanks again, Duhboy.

novice

12:48 am on Apr 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

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It is posible that the domainer just registered an expired name with no knowledge of its past. I remember when that happened to the Heidi Search Center. After a public out cry the humble domainer returned the domain. Here is a link [canoe.ca...]

The main thing is to be polite and explain the situation.

Good Luck

fischermx

1:04 am on Apr 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I feel sympathy for the one loosing the domain, but this is not about feelings but a business issue.
If you let a domain to expire, it's not yours anymore, at all.
Now, chances to get it back are by buying it back or if they have a trademark on it, file a complaint at WIPO.

rocco

5:28 pm on May 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I dealt with at least 50 cases of domain re-registered for indirectly pushing pr to adult sites in 2003 (as an intermediator) - most domains have been given back FOR FREE (the adult guy did not even want the registration costs covered).

Changes are that the new owner owns many names and will hate to spend time on this issue - so write a real nice email with clear facts (don't try to bull#*$! them, they will smell it from 1000 miles) and the new owner will give it back to you.

If that does not work, contact his host as I dont know of any adult host who tolerates linking from expired non-adult domains to adult sites.

Dont worry, I am sure you get that domain back.

gamb

1:15 pm on May 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

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i had an education company for gradeschoolers that had a mispelling taken by a porn spammer. We emailed him nicely that our service was for kids...and within 10 minutes he had taken the redirect down.

surprised me quite a bit at the time.