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Tonearm

6:09 pm on Jul 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I have a domain name I'm planning to build a store around, and someone has just made me an offer of $100 for it. I would like to build the store, but at some point I'd rather have the cash. Domain appraisal doesn't seem like a very realistic thing. Does anyone have any advice for me?

john_k

6:15 pm on Jul 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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For $100 I would hang on to it. What would the buyer do with it? If you are going to open a store, they would likely be one of your competitors. Even if you have a comparable domain, you can point both of them to the same site.

Ultimitely, it depends upon the actual domain and the market that both you and the buyer are after. If the domain name is generic (doesn't reflect your market) then it really doesn't matter.

postmaster

7:39 pm on Jul 13, 2004 (gmt 0)



careful how you respond to them regarding the domain. They may be trying to set you up for UDRP action. Offer to lease it and have them sign an indemnification and release form. Just something to think about.

Tonearm

7:56 pm on Jul 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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postmaster - Can you tell me more about that? What is that action you mention, and why would I want to lease it instead of selling it?

ogletree

8:04 pm on Jul 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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If they are asking for a domain appraisal before they buy it then it is a known scam. Do not use those services.

bcolflesh

8:12 pm on Jul 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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What is the action... (UDRP)

[icann.org...]

Tonearm

8:24 pm on Jul 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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ogletree - They aren't asking for one. I just don't know any other way to estimate how much the domain is worth. It seems like a waste of time and money though.

bcolflesh - What do I need to do to avoid a UDRP problem?

Maybe I'll just tell him he can have it for $1000 and no less. I would like to build that store.

bcolflesh

8:40 pm on Jul 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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bcolflesh - What do I need to do to avoid a UDRP problem?

Don't use someone else's mark in bad faith - the original poster was suggesting that someone made the offer to you as a prelude to a dispute - that may not be the case at all, but it is one of the things they need to show that they made a "good-faith" effort to acquire the domain from you.

postmaster

3:19 am on Jul 14, 2004 (gmt 0)



I always do a trademark search before I register a domain through [uspto.gov...]

Dan_Norder

4:14 am on Jul 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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The USPTO site is good in a limited sense, but it only gets you registered trademarks in the U.S.

Trademark protection can be enforced even for words and phrases not officially registered. This is known as a common law trademark. You can still lose a domain for infringing one of these.

And of course there are trademarks in countries other than the US that you might infringe upon.

Your best bet is just to use Google for the word or phrase as well as special keyword terms for the field you wnat to use it in. If someone else is using it for a noncompeting field, don't worry about it, that's not an infringement. If someone is using it and they are using it as a name for a business doing the same thing, either don;t get the name or use it for something else.

reli

5:28 am on Jul 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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If someone is using a *similar* name they can also claim infringement. Remember amazom.com (ending in an "m") that used to get typo-traffic likely intended for the online store... who sued them.

Not that it's worth it, given the asking price here, but trademark.com offers a "do your own search" service that includes several options beyond USPTO.

But if you use your domain name in trade, you are claiming your "mark"... trade-mark. Just put a "TM" next to the domain name, even without the .com at the end, as that publicly states that you are claiming it as "your" mark for some sort of trade (product or service). This is not legal advice, of course, (I'm not an attorney!), and there are subtleties on how you should and should not refer to your "mark" (i.e. don't use it as a verb).

Leosghost

9:34 am on Jul 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Thats the second time I see this post "put a TM after your name " ..You can't! You have to have registered your name or whatever as a "TRADEMARK" in at least one juristiction before you have the right to use this suffix..And there is absolutely nothing to stop someone else registering in another juristiction if you haven't already done so ...
When for example Coke or whoever launch "Diet coke" ..months before they simultaneously register their brands as trademarked in every country there is ..

I used to live in a really small country ( pop 300,000 ) and every day our legal pages part of the newspaper was full of such advance registrations ..frequently for products that companies probably would never ever sell in that country ..they did it "just in case" ...

So puleez stop saying put TM after your name ...

Apart from any other consideration ..if you do this and it turns out that actually your great idea for a name was already "trademarked" in your juristiction by someone else ..you risk that you and your descendants get sued into oblivion ..

john_k

3:09 pm on Jul 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Thats the second time I see this post "put a TM after your name " ..You can't! You have to have registered your name or whatever as a "TRADEMARK" in at least one juristiction before you have the right to use this suffix..And there is absolutely nothing to stop someone else registering in another juristiction if you haven't already done so ...

That may be the case in some or even most countries. In the U.S., there is no requirement of registration to utilize TM. "®" is reserved for trademarks that are registered. Here is a quote from the trademark FAQ at the Patent and Trademark Office's website:
When can I use the trademark symbols TM, SM and ®?

Any time you claim rights in a mark, you may use the "TM" (trademark) or "SM" (service mark) designation to alert the public to your claim, regardless of whether you have filed an application with the USPTO. However, you may use the federal registration symbol "®" only after the USPTO actually registers a mark, and not while an application is pending. Also, you may use the registration symbol with the mark only on or in connection with the goods and/or services listed in the federal trademark registration.


The URL is: [uspto.gov...]

Leosghost

10:23 am on Jul 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Apart from The USA isn't the world ..and I don't mean that you personally were implying this ( because you do make the distinction ) but there is a lot of that way of posting here ...

Even under USA rules ..what does that give if two people both put the TM after their name ...how are they gonna sort out who has the best claim if nothing was ever filed anywhere?

Always go see Notary public when you do this?

Rely on the wayback machine for the net?

See who is bigger?

What happens if ..as in the case I postulated ..you write TM without checking the legal registry first ( dumbass I know but that is 99.9% of the species ) and the real owner of the TM comes after you ...?

Is terminal stupidity a defence in a US or other court of law?

Ps ..for a 100$ I wouldn't sell anyone any name that they asked for specially not something you could build a store around ..

john_k

10:54 am on Jul 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Apart from The USA isn't the world ..and I don't mean that you personally were implying this ( because you do make the distinction ) but there is a lot of that way of posting here ...

That is precisely why I made the distinction. I wouldn't know where to begin tracking this down for every country on the planet. I happened to have had some marketing material printed last week and so had just recently visited the U.S. Patent & Trademark site regarding this very issue. TM was being used on a couple items and I wanted to make sure that this was proper use. (that's why I had the FAQ URL handy)

Even under USA rules ..what does that give if two people both put the TM after their name ...how are they gonna sort out who has the best claim if nothing was ever filed anywhere?

Always go see Notary public when you do this?

Rely on the wayback machine for the net?

See who is bigger?


Probably whoever's bigger (at least bank account-wise)

Again, the FAQ points out that registering your trademark will give you certain rights or benefits not entailed by simply staking a claim with TM.

What happens if ..as in the case I postulated ..you write TM without checking the legal registry first ( dumbass I know but that is 99.9% of the species ) and the real owner of the TM comes after you ...?

You answered the question. Solution: don't do that - check for registration first. If they come after you, you would likely lose.

HOWEVER - I believe that if you utilize TM, and someone else applies for and is granted a registration for the same mark at a later date, you can have their registration overturned/voided/revoked.

Is terminal stupidity a defence in a US or other court of law?

I have noticed that, given the nature of stupidity (terminal or otherwise), it knows no boundaries. And I believe that it is often used (unsuccessfully) as a defense in most locales.

Ps ..for a 100$ I wouldn't sell anyone any name that they asked for specially not something you could build a store around ..

Agreed. Even if you are going to ultimately use a different domain. If the domain has anything to do with the market you are in, why remove a barrier for a competitor?

[edited by: john_k at 11:00 am (utc) on July 16, 2004]

Leosghost

10:59 am on Jul 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

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;)john_k ...excuse the ruse ..I was too lazy myself ..but I knew if I baited you'd define for the questioner ...