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Free shipping absorbed in higher prices?

         

imstillatwork

9:38 pm on May 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

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As a customer, do you like free shipping so much that you don't care if the product is slightly higher priced then www.yourcompetition.com?

I am seriously considering free shipping on all orders, but raising proces on products to compensate (based on historical average costs, order amounts, etc..)

Has anyone had good conversion increase by doing this?

from a technical standpoint, free shipping just sounds good - no ups / usps http calls, no wrong estimates, nearly instant checkout procedures, etc...

Kevin

jsinger

10:08 pm on May 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Probably one of the oldest topics here. As it happens, we're starting a free shipping promo this week, only the second time I've tried it. Preliminary results are very unimpressive. Didn't boost response to the email and free shipping is very costly (for us, anyway)

As I've said many times over the years, shipping is a very real expense and it only gets more costly.

Free shipping, IMO, was a stupid gimmick Dot Com's used at the end of a financial reporting period to juice sales. It was about unloading shares, not widgets.

You don't see experienced catalogers using it much. In fact, they use shipping as a major profit center. I'm guessing they know more about this topic than does www.50-pound-bags-o-dogfood.com

imstillatwork

11:09 pm on May 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

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*runs off to register 50-pound-bags-o-dogfood.com *

j/k

Your right, i should have done more search hear first. Our items are pretty heavy, so I'm sure it would not work in practice.

thanks!

Kevin

Rugles

9:14 pm on May 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I would love to try it. But I don't get to make those decisions. I have been pushing for a short term experiment for years but to no avail.

Unfortunately, the online consumer is spoiled by "free shipping", because of Amazon et al. So that is why I think it is worth while for orders that reach a minimum amount.

imstillatwork

9:46 pm on May 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Candles get HEAVY quick... We can easily have 30 lbs in a 16x16x16 box, with room for good packaging.

But then a "FREE Shipping on order less than 20$" would be counter productive, huh?

imstillatwork

9:47 pm on May 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Owell.. This is just incentive to get my new UPS / USPS live quotes (plus 10%) working....

Propools

9:50 pm on May 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Everything on our site is priced as "Freight Included". We do use our estimated freight which is built into our items as a B/E or in the black. We know by GEO where the majority of our shipments go, so we have a pretty good idea what our freight is going to be.
Also negotiating with suppliers on getting from them a standard flat rate freight rate works also.
We would rather have "freight included". We say it on the site and say it to our customers:

All pricing INCLUDES normal ground delivery within the 48 contiguous states.
There are NO hidden or surprise freight charges... EVER.

Other Popular Sites Charge Additional Money For:
Shipping and Handling .... WE DON'T EVER
For West Coast Delivery.... WE DON'T EVER
Residential Delivery.... WE DON'T EVER

The Price You See is the Only Price You'll Ever Pay

Propools

9:56 pm on May 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I want to add to that statement that there are other certain caviat's on our site concerning the prices they see on the site.

imstillatwork

11:29 pm on May 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

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at least the way we have it now, the shipping charges show up in the cart before checkout. right now it is based on price. It averages out to just right now. some pay a little to much, some pay a little to... um... not enough.

I still am going to go with the UPS rates. I have been testing it againsts our order history, and It is pretty accurate so far.

crak_bot

4:46 am on May 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Free shipping, IMO, was a stupid gimmick Dot Com's used at the end of a financial reporting period to juice sales. It was about unloading shares, not widgets.

I would have to respectfully disagree. Depending on your product & market, free shipping can be a very usefull tool to increase conversions. Of course, doing it at a loss is foolish but a properly set up "free shipping" campaign should be looked into.

otnot

12:58 pm on May 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

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All my competitors are offering free shipping over a certain amount but what they have done is to add the cost of shipping into the cost of goods sold. I didn't think it was too much of a draw until I ran a Mother's Day special that included free shipping. My God! People who orded wanted to add additional items and of course wanted FREE shipping. So my experience is that free shipping is still fooling people and converts better than cheap products plus shipping.

badass101

9:09 am on May 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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We offer free shipping on orders over £200, in an attempt to upsell or coax people to load up their baskets a little more.

However, I'd say (without the figures in front of me) that around 90% of customers haven't actually hit the free shipping figure and it doesn't seem to tempt anyone to add more to their basket.
We're keeping it as our model for now, as it's the simplest way for us to do things - but it's not made a huge difference.

jsinger

2:40 pm on May 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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As it happens, we're starting a free shipping promo this week, only the second time I've tried it. Preliminary results are very unimpressive. Didn't boost response to the email and free shipping is very costly (for us, anyway)

I meant to say: Giving free shipping *rather than a less expensive product discount* didn't boost response.

HOWEVER now that full results are in from our week long email promo, offering free shipping was adequately successful. Note that we didn't raise product prices. And this was an email promo presented only to established customers. We'll probably give it another test soon.

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Yes, offering free shipping to all customers who buy over a certain amount is becoming common. One thing that triggered this trend is that some suppliers are trying to eliminate destructive web discounting by requiring sites to sell at minimum prices. Deep discounters undoubtedly see free shipping as a way to get around these price minimums.

Green_Grass

3:05 pm on May 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I offer 'free shipping' to areas close to the place where I stock goods. I add the price to the goods.

I ask for a shipping charge for the rest of the Country.. As I have already added a part of the shipping cost to price ( for local delivery), my 'rest of country' shipping charge 'appears' much lower than the competition. It is a big hit.

Try to negotiate with courier agencies for diffn. delivery charges for diffn. parts of the country.. It works in my country.. It should work in yours also.

FrostyMug

3:20 pm on May 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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here's a shopper's perspective:

i order at least 2 times a week online - all kinds of products. truthfully, many times I've bulked at buying a product if i see shipping charges or taxes, especially if i think they're exaggerated ($5+).

example: I wanted to buy crocs shoes - online at their website, they were either $8 or $10 shipping a pair! cost was only $30 for a pair. I bulked, and went to amazon where i have a 'prime' account - amazon directly didn't sell them, but there was a seller who had $0 shipping/order but did not have the style i wanted. so i didn't buy at all - otherwise, if i saw free ship in the site, I'd buy them - what's another pair of shoes anyway?

Usually, when i see shipping charges for something i want and I'm not already on amazon, i go to amazon to investigate, if not, i go elsewhere or not buy at all online. I love amazon not only because of free shipping, but because they're one of the last online stores which does not charge tax.

wingslevel

8:36 pm on May 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Interesting that badass didn't experience an increase in large orders...

I have been toying with adding free shipping above a threshold and all of my projections assume an increase in average order size.

My problem is, with 4 of my direct competitors offering free shipping, whether the consumer will really be able to differentiate the total delivered cost of an item.

sja65

12:35 pm on May 31, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Don't forget to test - free shipping is very dependent on your product and your customers.

I sell an inexpensive product that is (for the most part) readily available from a several sites (several of which offer free shipping). Testing free shipping with no minimum on my site, I did find an increase in conversions, but a drop in total profits. When I tried free shipping on orders over a certain dollar value (high enough that I wouldn't lose money on most orders) I actually found a decrease in conversions but an increase in order size - profitability remained about the same. Another test actually increased the shipping charges. This resulted in slightly lower conversions, but higher profits.

Test, find out what works for your products and customers. Don't assume that because it works for Amazon it will work for you.