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jsinger

3:39 pm on Dec 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

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This may be WebmasterWorld's most important thread of the year, and a subject rarely discussed. It is especially important for owners of ecommerce operations to plan what is to become of their site, often their families' sole source of income, if they die.

Any ideas that especially relate to commerce sites?

etechsupport

1:09 pm on Dec 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I personally feel that it is better to take long term insurance plan/ personal accident plan etc for security of your family. Many Insurance companies are offering such plan in quite affordable rate.

shri

1:44 pm on Dec 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

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If it is a family owned business (like mine is), it is critical that someone in the family be trained to manage or should manage vital parts of the business.

Also, personal life insurance should ensure that the family is taken care of. One should (in my opinion) plan for complete failure of the business should a death occur.

If there are partners involved, key man insurance is fairly important.

jsinger

2:36 pm on Dec 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I personally feel that it is better to take long term insurance plan/ personal accident plan etc for security of your family. Many Insurance companies are offering such plan in quite affordable rate.

What does life insurance have to do with making sure your very valuable site will survive your death?

I'm talking about a tiny web operation where all the tech stuff is done by one person. Even in larger operations, usually only the boss knows some of the secret stuff...passwords etc.

Seems that you could accomplish site survival by writing down (or even video taping as one suggested) all passwords, methodologies, contact info, supplier info etc.

Heck, I can barely understand my own web operation. Even the most talented successor would have a very rough time at first.

shri

12:52 am on Dec 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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often their families' sole source of income, if they die.

Life insurance will make sure dependants do not need to scramble to fix title tags and pack orders on the day of the funeral.

Raymond

7:16 am on Dec 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Insurance is IMPORTANT. It will allow your family members to hire someone that knows how to handle your business, or to close down your business and not have to worry about money immediately.

Open a limited company and put your loved ones as one of the directors. So the company will still be running smoothly during the probate.

You can't really expect your loved ones know how to run your business (at least i won't expect they do). It is impossible for them to handle all aspects like programming, database management, server management, photography, graphic designs, dealing with suppliers/clients, shipping, accounting...etc. I am sure they are already getting it rough from the loss of you, don't make it 10 times harder by having them to figure out your business.

Write down a list of important technical information that includes the following and put it in a bank safety box that is owned by both you and your family members:

Where your site is registered, username, password, and when to renew
Where your site is hosted, username, password, and billing method and cycle
Who your suppliers are, and contact information
Where your site processes payments, username, password, and bank accounts
Who your accountant and lawyers are
A history of accounting records

Also, if your passwords are changed periodically, write down how you formulate your passwords

derekwong28

8:16 am on Dec 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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This question has often came up in other forums and I have thought long and hard about it. I think the main difference between an e-commerce operation and those relying mainly on adsense/affiliate programs is that e-commerce operations are more likely to be incorporated. Therefore it is essential that your family members do have access to the company account and better still be an shareholder and authorized signitory.

As far as the other bits go, my main problem would be maining domains, SEO, PPC, and affiliate campaigns. I intend to write a manual for my wife and other family members. But still, I have to admit unless they are or become technically minded/interested, the business is likely to run to the ground after a few years. My hope is that the business can grow to a certain size when we can always have some trained technical persons available.

etechsupport

9:26 am on Dec 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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jsinger, site is not larger than life, if your family get enough money from insurance they can manage that site either by themselves or hiring a person to look after the business. Many people die leaving a business; I have not seen their family wind up the business. Few people die leaving million of money and charity behind them and some die leaving the hospital bills to pay by their children.

hannamyluv

4:46 pm on Jan 3, 2006 (gmt 0)

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It has been suggested in other threads along this line that if you do not have someone who can competantly run your business, then the best gift you can leave your family is a list of your competitors and a suggested selling price.

Your family would be much better off selling your business than letting it run into the ground due to a lack of knowledge.

lorax

3:02 pm on Jan 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

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>> list of your competitors and a suggested selling price

That's a very good idea! I'd also add that you provide them a name or two of businesses or individuals you would trust to handle the transaction.

BradleyT

4:27 pm on Jan 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

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etechsupport,

You're not on the same page as the rest of us in this thread.

I agree with the safety deposit box idea and make a trip on June 1st and January 1st (or 2nd) every year to make sure it's up to date.

jsinger

4:29 pm on Jan 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

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>> list of your competitors and a suggested selling price

I agree that's a great idea. For us, there are a few good likely buyers and a few I wouldn't trust.

I'd think that selling a site upon death would be very difficult and inefficient. Few lawyers know a thing about the process. Business brokers tend to be scum.

The owner should leave some written instructions on disposing of the site. (instructions will get out of date very quickly).

Tapolyai

4:37 pm on Jan 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Additionally, you could simplify the process of selling, and include the required sale of the asset in your Will.

As we all know, when it comes to technology, more people think they know what they are doing, verses actually know what they are doing.

Alternatively to directly contacting competitors to sell, (which would potentially lower price, since they "know" the site cannot be maintained so they wait out its demise) put it up for auction with appropriate minimum, then notify the competition.

ispy

5:31 am on Jan 5, 2006 (gmt 0)



Well, if someone close to me died, that last thing on my mind for awhile would be business or my website.

robjones2

4:59 am on Jan 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

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if you've got young children to support and/or mortgage/rent to pay, i think it would be very much on your mind and I'm sure your departed close one would not want you to be in any financial difficulties - particularly of the website was the primary source of income

LifeinAsia

4:20 pm on Jan 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Well, if someone close to me died, that last thing on my mind for awhile would be business or my website.

This is precisely why a continuation plan is so important. The relatives will have enough to worry about without having to try to figure out a business with no documentation. It's very likely that a big chunk of the estate could quickly devaluate to zero (or worse- rack up huge bills for the heirs) before someone could deal with trying to figure out how things worked.