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Just simple credit card payment

easy, transparent CC

         

eston

4:49 pm on Sep 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Paypal would be almost perfect "if" they will not require my clients to signup for membership.

This is my scenario:
I am in Costa Rica and I like to sell classified on line. Price from $10 to $60 one time fee.

I would like to take CC, that will be nice and easy for my clients.

Just click on the CC logo, fill out the field (1 to 3 fields to choose from), then proceed with your CC information, click to pay and be done with it.

I will get email confirmation with filled out form and will permit/approve the ad to go online.

I like to be able to withdraw the money once a month or so.
Be able to login to my account and see all the transaction ets. (perhaps pay others via my account).

I will like no setup fee or minimal.
Commission no problem (up to 10%). No monthly fees or statment fees etc.

Does anything like this exist or am I dreaming.

TIA

Miklo

1:55 pm on Sep 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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2CheckOut,
Paysat,
CCNOW,
MultiCards,
WorldPay,
Metacharge,

and probably 1000's more. Do a search on credit card processing on G. and you will definitely find a company that will suit your needs.

Essex_boy

6:53 pm on Sep 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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ccavenue.com pay out weekly if I remember rightly and fits your spec

eston

8:05 pm on Sep 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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It's always something - like:
Annual Software Upgrade Recurring Fee $60
Setup fee $45
Plus the 7%
$10 Transfer fee etc.

When and if I make few sales for $40, I get left with very little profit.

But thanks essex

Corey Bryant

9:54 pm on Sep 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I do not think anything really fits your spec - when you say transparent, I am assuming you want the user to stay on your website? This would mean you need a gateway (which is going to have a monthly fee, and possibly transaction charges) which has an API.

And then you will have a merchant account which might have some type of a monthly fee (customer service or statement fee).

-Corey

eston

10:09 pm on Sep 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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No!

What I mean by transparent is:
Simple straight forward transaction.

I am just looking at PaySat and it looks like exactly what I am looking for.

eston

10:10 pm on Sep 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I am going over Miklo info:

2CO:
Setup $49
Cost of sales 5.5% and $0.45

I can live with that.
-----------------------------

PaySat looks great!
No setup no other fees, just normal commission.

So far so good.
Will see.

eston

10:19 pm on Sep 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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More updates:
CCNow is intended to be used for tangible merchandise only!
That takes care of that one :)

eston

10:24 pm on Sep 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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ccavenue is out.
To many fees etc.
(see my post) the one with all the fees :)

eston

10:26 pm on Sep 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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MultiCards is expensive like hell.
That's out.

eston

10:29 pm on Sep 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Worldpay is out of question as well.
Just this was enough to turn me off:

"charges are likely to include:

Set-up fee. A one-off charge.
Annual charge. A recurring, annual charge.
Transaction Service Charge (TSC). Charges for processing UK debit card transactions are made on a “pence per transaction” basis. All other card transactions are charged at an agreed percentage for each online transaction amount. "

Ouch!

eston

10:33 pm on Sep 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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At Metacharge I stop when I read:
Start up fee $222

Bye!

It sure would be nice to see a website with all possible merchants in table info format.

Maybe I sure make one :)

BTW: as far i can see the Paysat looks like clear winner (for me anyway).

Thanks to Miklo

Corey Bryant

11:55 pm on Sep 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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The reason these companies charge is to help off-set their risk. People who are starting up companies and not based in the United States understand the risks involved and if they are not willing or unwilling to accept Paypal, they pay for the merchant account.

As far as the company you are reviewing and seem happy about, you might want to review some forums about their payment plans.

-Corey

eston

12:38 am on Sep 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I have no problem accept paypal. What I don't like is that MY clients have to get affiliated first.

off-set their risk? Hmm
1) that's why they charge %
2) that's why they have agreements (member pays)
3) some do, some don't
4) I see same risk from USA members as international

Looking in to the forum.
That was my next thing. To see who they are etc.

Thanks again

mblair

1:38 am on Sep 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I could be wrong but didn't PayPal change their systems a few months back so that membership wasn't required to make a credit card payment?

eston

1:52 am on Sep 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Yes you are wrong.

I only wish that would be the case.
That's all I want.

I believe it's only available for USA members.

Corey Bryant

3:39 am on Sep 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Actually no, it is for merchants based in
    Australia
  • Belgium
  • Canada
  • France
  • Hong Kong
  • Netherlands
  • United Kingdom
  • United States

As far as the discount rate and agreements - in the United States we have a social security number and driver's license. And we have the courts and the laws. If a US processors opens a merchant account for someone not based in the United States and that merchant takes off, it is much more difficult to locate that merchant. If the MAP does not locate the merchant, the MAP has to pay. The MAP has to look after its business, else it will go bankrupt

-Corey

eston

4:18 am on Sep 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Ok Corey, here is more info.

I already signup with PP.
I supplied ALL the info they asked for via Fax etc.
I don't need to withdraw the money. I just pay the hosting ebay etc.
My CC volume that my clients are paying me with is very low.
I never had a charge back.

I only sell services online like ads and real estate listing.

So far so good?

The problem I am having is to understand is why "MY" clients have to register with PP?

Their is no fraud involved, just a simple low key transaction.

Why can't my clients just pay with CC via PP and that's it?

Miklo

1:54 pm on Sep 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Hi Eston,

It's good to hear that you are checking out all the options. As far as your last question is concerned, PP does no longer require a registration for some countries. Unfortunately, Costa Rica is not one of them. I guess it has something to do with decreasing their risks.

Regarding the other third party processors: Some of them do charge a rather large set up fee, which automatically means that you buy off a certain risk. You have to understand that it happens very often that a merchant collects the money and runs, which means the processor gets stuck with many chargebacks and looses money. Installing such a set up fee automatically means that the merchant has to invest first and has to leave their credit card details, which also lowers the risk for the processor. My guess is that 2CheckOut has to be more aware of fraudsters than MultiCards as their set up fee is lower.

Anyway, I do know that MultiCards also offers lower rates than listed on their website. Not sure what the lowest rate currently is, although nowadays they specialise in setting up merchant accounts for European companies.

Paysat seems to be a viable option for your needs. I haven't really heard any bad stories about them, but just remember: People always tend to list their bad experiences in forums instead of their good ones.

Good luck and keep us updated.

eston

5:37 pm on Sep 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I spend many hours on reserching the Paysat option and I can oly say that I found many horror stories <snip>

What's going on these days :)

[edited by: lorax at 8:55 pm (utc) on Sep. 22, 2005]
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DonQ

2:52 am on Sep 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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PayPal account optional does not require signup from your customers. If you link your payment page to them, and you test it from Costa Rica, you will be required to signup. Test via a US proxy, and you will see that the client is given the option to pay directly or via PayPal account. It does not matter where the merchant is, it matters where the customer is.

I have read some bad stories about PayPal, especially from one site, but keep in mind that PayPal have millions of clients, so a few bad experiences are bound to surface. And from what I can see, these are normally situations where the merchant tried to skate on the edges of the TOS. I have found them extremely helpful and friendly, much more so than some of the other 3rd party processors I had been involved with.

And for smaller international sites they appear to actually increase conversions, giving the customer a greater sense of security.

Paysat is a new co, with some bad stories. Risky i'd say, and no customer confidence factor.

DonQ

4:25 am on Sep 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

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In view of the positive comments I made above re PayPal, I have to be fair and also lament the negatives.

The account optional payment page used to be quite satisfactory, with a pay by credit card link at the left, and or pay with Paypal account on right. This worked well.

Now it appears PayPal wants to promote itself more aggressively, with a eye catching PayPal logo and blue Login button above the billing form, which makes the no account line below 'disappear' at first glance. Since then the site's conversions have crashed.

This makes me angry. PayPal has no right to promote itself *at my expense* to *my* traffic/customers. I pay, as an intenational customer, about 5% per transaction for the service. If it was free I could understand.

Also their site seems awfully slow of late. Why is this?

Miklo

9:45 am on Sep 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

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'It sure would be nice to see a website with all possible merchants in table info format.'

Do a Google search for Maculator. It is a merchant account calculator which lists all the companies (or at least very many) that are into credit card processing. Very handy tool in my opinion if you want to compare costs.

eston

2:22 am on Sep 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Thanks for the tip Miklo!

RailMan

11:51 am on Sep 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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i've just been comparing rates (myself, not with maculator) for worldpay v paypal, and paypal comes out more expensive

worldpay charge 4.5% on credit card transactions, but only 50p (fixed amount) for debit card transactions
paypal charge 2.9% (or whatever) for credit and debit cards.

in the last year, almost exactly half my sales are by credit cards, and half by debit cards. if i used paypal, i'd be paying a fortune in extra fees!

even including worldpay's setup and monthly fees, worldpay still works out cheaper for me .........

pp_rb

5:25 pm on Sep 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Keep in mind that your PayPal fee rate could be lower if you are processing a high enough volume. Of course, it still will not distinguish between debit and credit card payments, but you might want to look at the Merchant Rate table on the PayPal site to get an idea of what your real rate would be for comparison to other payment processors.

RailMan

7:47 am on Oct 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

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worldpay rates can be lower too - although it's not automatic, you have to ask for a review (just send an email)

the paypal fees calculator is very interesting ........ the way it's set up to whack on extra fees for merchant accounts is cool!