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wonderboy

3:10 pm on Jul 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hi,

as someone that has only ever made entertainment sites that rely upon advertising income to stay alive, I find the prospect of ecommerce quite appealing. I have been looking at it for quite some time now, but simply do not know where to begin.

How did you guys do it? Did you just select a product, invest money in the site creation and marketing and hope for the best?

If you were going to start up again, how exactly would you go about it?

Thanks for your time,

W.

Compworld

3:21 pm on Jul 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Money, patience, and a lot of time. Since you would be kind of late to the game, it would be hard. You would be jumping in to the lion's den with cutthroat pricing, sabotage, and advertising woes. My suggestion, don't quit your day job. Safe and secure is the place to be. You can easily spend 20,000 and should nothing for it. If you go the affiliate route, the commissions sometimes do not make enough to pay for the advertising. Selling items yourself you have to deal with cost, storage, obsolescence. A lot of baggage either way, and a long a tiring road ahead. If you can take the heat, jump in, but if your wet behind the ears, you may want to start low key with eBay and some other online marketplaces to start and spread your name around the top ones. Start small and grow gradually. That is the safest way to start a new business.

Hope that helps....

- CompWorld

digitalv

3:26 pm on Jul 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

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If I had to start all over and had no idea what kind of product I wanted to sell I would probably start on eBay.

Look around, see what the hot sellers are (items that have a lot of bids) in a category you're familiar with, and then see if you can find a supplier that will let you sell at the same or lesser price.

Once you've used ebay to figure out what you want to sell and how much you can sell it for, start selling there yourself. Give a few away if you have to so you can get enough feedback to do "Buy it Now" auctions (10 I think?). Once you have the ability to do that, you can start testing various products and see how well they do. From there you could set up an "ebay store" and continue with that model, or you can do your own website - although if you DO set up your own site I would strongly encourage you to continue selling on ebay since it has worked so well for you. If you don't want to run an ebay store there are services that handle auction management for you and can automatically launch auctions on a regular basis.

You may find that the ebay model works so well that you never NEED to get your own website. If ebay can consistently sell your product for you, why bother setting up your own site and paying for advertising.

derekwong28

4:51 pm on Jul 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I started when my wife got laid off from her daytime job. Before then, I was already conversant with SEO through an educational and therefore was confident from the start.

The only obstacle was finding the right products. What I have learnt is that however well your site looks, nothing is more important than the individual product and your price in generating conversions.

Although eBay is a good place to start and do research, the margins are usually razor thin. To make decent profit, you have really got to have your own website. Having said that, eBay is definitely the route I would recommend for beginners.

Since you have already got entertainment sites and I presume that you know quite a bit about getting traffic. I would recommend that you build you e-Commerce function into your existing sites. I presume that tney are established sites with a reasonable PR. That way, you should be able to get decent free traffic right quickly.

Otherwise, I would recommend spending a few hundred dollars on PPC and see how your product converts. You should set a well defined limit to cut your losses.

wonderboy

5:50 pm on Jul 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Thanks for your answers guys, I am sure there is space, there always is. Now I just have to find a good supplier!

W.

Essex_boy

6:33 pm on Jul 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

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i stumbled upon a neat way to find products, select a product range red widgets. Then call teh maker and ask what they do with their returns - offer to buy them.

I came across one firm selling phone covers for 75p as an end of line retail price £15.

Its cheap so you can all ways flog 'em on fleabay

Liane

8:53 pm on Jul 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

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If I were going to start over again:

1) Find a free source for bread, water and peanutbutter.

2) Go to hipnotist to make me believe that peanutbutter is steak, lobster and anything else I crave from day to day.

3) Find a day job (or two) with flexible hours that will pay the bills while you create your site and start to get inquiries. Save whatever you can ... you'll need it!

4) Find a number of compatable and complimentary lines which aren't already flogged to death by thousands of affiliate marketers.

The best way to do this is find a successful brick and mortar "specialty shop" which isn't doing well with their web site.

5) Approach them and ask if you can sell for them on straight commission.

6) Learn how to sell on the web, build a web site, optimize it as best you can and wait for the inquiries to come in.

7) BE THERE TO ANSWER YOUR INQUIRIES PROMPTLY!

8) KNOW YOUR PRODUCTS!

That's how I did my site and its working for me ... so far! :)

hfwd

10:28 pm on Jul 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

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in my humble opinion, you should pay special attention to products that need to be "renewed" - this increases the chance that you'll get repeat customers.

resist the temptation to over-advertise. Initially, advertising almost always NEVER pay off. Oh it's necessary, but remember that running an e-commerce site is a marathon and not a sprint.

dont' give up when things look bad - it takes most small businesses I know 3 years to mature & succeed.

futureheir

1:34 am on Jul 7, 2004 (gmt 0)



I would suggest that you stick with the basics. As with any startup sit down and create your business plan.
Figure out what your going to sell, to whom and at what margins. Who are your suppliers, your customers and your compeditors? How much are you going to spend on mechandise, technology, and adversising. Figure how much you think it's going to cost you - then double or tripple that amount and figure that your going to operate at a loss for the first 6 to 8 months.
So far this has been a winning strategy for me but I've only had my site life since April. The up side to this is that I fully expected to still be lossing money but I am doing a bit better that breaking even already.