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Got my first Nigerian order today

I feel I've joined the rest of you at the head table

         

wintercornuk

8:48 am on Jun 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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He didn't get through the CVV stage though and the order was not completed. But, interesting to see nonetheless.

fivaxis

9:52 am on Jun 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I got an email from somebody in Nigeria (I have nigeria blocked on my shopping cart) anyway I told them I don't accept sales from Nigeria. To me it's not worth the risk.

Dear Sales,
I will like to place an order from your store.But before I proceed,I
will like to know if you ship down to NIGERIA. And also to know if you
accept credit cards as payment.I hope to hear from you soon Thanks.
Best Wishes

sqlgod

3:41 pm on Jun 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Well its only the begining ;), we get nigerian orders now that want to be shipped to addresses in the us and the address validation on the card matches the bill to they provide as well.

Macro

5:01 pm on Jun 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Got my first Nigerian order today

Now get one from Indonesia.

Soon you'll have the full set ;)

jsinger

5:33 pm on Jun 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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"will like to know if you ship DOWN to NIGERIA."

We've gotten the same exact text several times which was obviously meant to go UP to Europe, not OVER from the U.S.

We never answer emails from Nigeria or Indonesia. We used to occasionally, but never got a thank you or any acknowledgement.

PatrickDeese

5:46 pm on Jun 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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if you get orders from nigeria written with lowercase, you know they are legit, it is a well known fact that NIGERIAN SCAMMERS ONLY WRITE IN UPPER CASE. ;)

Essex_boy

7:58 pm on Jun 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I wonder how successful they are....

Joop

8:52 pm on Jun 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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and the number of ones that tell me that they want to place a large order and can i tell them if we ship to nigeria and also the web address of the site.

Doh!

rsia23

9:05 am on Jun 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Same here, I get those nigerian orders all the time now. But the first time was very tempting. He emailed me the cc and asked if I can ship thru UPS. I didnt bother responding... its not worth it.

Macro

9:36 am on Jun 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I didnt bother responding... its not worth it

That's where you are wrong!

Email him, tell him you'd be delighted. Then game him.... drag out the correspondence, ask him to say that he loves you.... even insist on a photograph of his mother and say that unless you have the photograph you won't ship the goods.

You'll be surprised how eager they are to please. So, do respond. I promise you - it's worth it ;)

ppg

10:03 am on Jun 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

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We get one or two Nigerian leads a day.

Just to supply a small amount of balance, we actually closed a deal from a Nigerian lead which was legit. Our company requires payment by wire transfer on international orders, money has to land in hte account before the goods can ship. Apparently Nigerians arn't allowed to transfer money out of the country (?), which is why they always ask to pay by credit card (this is a B2B company - business is usually done by extending credit lines to customers). We had to set up an odd arrangement to get payment, but it worked out eventually.

The majority of them are scam attempts though, granted.

jsinger

4:02 pm on Jun 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

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"We had to set up an odd arrangement to get payment, but it worked out eventually."

Yeah, and how much time did you waste going over all those Nigerian Leads to find the one that "worked out eventually?" And even then, they are probably setting you up for a Kill on their next order.

ppg

4:28 pm on Jun 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Yeah, and how much time did you waste going over all those Nigerian Leads to find the one that "worked out eventually?" And even then, they are probably setting you up for a Kill on their next order.

Both good points. The vast majority are weeded out early and ignored. Only leads which look a bit different get followed up.

They still don't get a credit line, and they still don't get to pay by credit card. Accounts here are pretty careful. The site generates leads for the company which are followed up by sales people, there's no online ordering, so they get a fair bit of scrutiny before doing the deal. Because of the nature of the business profit on a single order is sufficient to spend some time on deals which look like they may close. Sales cycles can run into months. Of course this wouldn't be workable for all businesses.

Macro

4:55 pm on Jun 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

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The majority of them are scam attempts though, granted.

100% of those offering to pay by credit card for delivery to Nigeria are scams.

PatrickDeese

5:08 pm on Jun 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

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It is a well documented scam with the Nigerians to make a few "good faith" orders from businesses for relatively small amounts, then place a huge "hurry hurry" order - "we got a big important contract, but we need the stuff right away" - and get you to ship before the check clears, because, if this purchase order is successful, an even bigger one is going to place right away.

As much as I hate to say it, I wouldn't ever do business with a Nigerian online.

--

When I was in Austin, Texas in February my cabbie was playing King Sunny Ade (a Nigerian musician) on his stereo - and I asked if he was Nigerian, which he was.

We chatted for a bit and I said - "Hmmm... I think some of your old neighbors sent me email..."

He laughed and said "Oh, those fraud letters, yes.... It is one Nigeria's biggest industries."

Macro

5:12 pm on Jun 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Sorry, let me elaborate on my previous post to avoid misunderstanding.

If someone lives in Nigeria and owns a credit card he will not want to use the card on the "internet" and he will not expect firms outside of Nigeria to ship goods to him on a CC payment. I have friends and family there and am very familiar with many aspects of living in Nigeria.

Exception to this may be when he's dealing with someone he already knows/has done business with before and/or where the value is small and inconsequential and below the limit that some web businesses may have for security checks like address confirmation.

Philip_M

5:41 pm on Jun 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Just remember my advice - never ever do business with any country which has green in its flag. That simple rule will eliminate 99% of fraudsters.

Robino

6:08 pm on Jun 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

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never ever do business with any country which has green in its flag.

That's funny. And might be a god policy (with Italy excluded).

[cia.gov...]

BroadLea

6:22 pm on Jun 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

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While we get occasional fraud attempts on our ecommerce sites, I also direct a charity. Yesterday was our first scam attempt.

Someone sent a typical-sounding email wanting to donate an unspecified sum. They are a successful businessman in [name your country here] and wish to donate.

After replying with typical information about our donation process, they replied a few hours later with this now-classic:

(paraphrased for brevity and grammar)
Thank you for your reply. I have a colleague in the US that is returning some goods for $7,000. I only want to donate $2,500. I will instruct him to send a cashier's check for $7,000 to your charity, and you please wire via Western Union the remaining $4,500 to our account.

Robino

7:16 pm on Jun 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Do a search for "nigerian 419". There's a ton of info on these low-life fraudsters.

webtress

2:15 am on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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It's must be that time of year a bookstore site I monitor got their first also, only it wasn't for books, it was for african clothing. I would think clothing would be cheaper locally. Maybe I can convince them to take a book instead.

kwngian

9:05 am on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Imagine targeting a charity site, cheating on the needy. What a bunch of @$#!X*.

Leosghost

12:04 pm on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Just remember my advice - never ever do business with any country which has green in its flag.

What is your problem with Ireland..?

Macro

12:59 pm on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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What is your problem with Ireland..?

The beer.

Leosghost

1:03 pm on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I presume that means you can't take it less you put lime and a stick of celery in it ...Brits!

Macro

2:13 pm on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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LOL

lecaptain

12:39 am on Jun 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hello,

I too have noticd a number of orders coming from Nigeria. I wouldn't normally mind working through these but the thing is i don't have time just now.

You see i've been asked to come in on a deal in the middle east involving oil export that will pay out $10,000,000 (TEN MILLION DOLLARS) very soon, and i'm working hard to get the security together to release this from the bank.

If anyone has a free paypal or escrow account please sticky me as soon our problems could all be over.

Macro

8:49 am on Jun 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I had one yesterday that - get this - wanted me to prove to them that we are a "reputable and honorable company" before they would consider buying from us!

esllou

11:30 am on Jun 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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there is a tad of green on Libya's flag.

just a tad, mind you....

Leosghost

12:53 pm on Jun 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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A few years back I went with a friend to Libya ( he was on a sales trip for a major company and used to get so bored ...so he said come along for the ride ..2 days ...why not ) ..Everything he sold was packaged in predominantly green ..he said that it was the guarranted way to sell almost anything there ..!
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