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This message is a commercial advertisement. It is compliant with all federal and state laws regarding e-mail messages including the California Business and Professionals Code. We have provided ("opt out"/websiteaddress.com) e-mail contact so you can be deleted from our mailing list. In addition we have provided the subject line ADV to provide you notification that this is a commercial advertisement for persons over 18 years old."
This message was written in a small font, but still legible. It took up very little space.
So is this legit? Could this possibly prevent you from being kicked off your hosting provider? I know that DON'T SPAM is rule numero uno for e-commerce and I have never done it, but it has alluring aspects and that is why it has been so abused. What seperates mass e-mail from mass snail mail or telemarketing? Do the same rules apply? Is the net so competitive that the only way a SEO company can be found is through unsolicited e-mail?
I know this is a very touchy subject, and I'm not advocating SPAM, but as search engines become increasingly more pay to play, and the few(one) free search engines become over congested, even in now non-competitive keyword arenas, will small time online businesses be forced to look into advertising avenues previously thought to be untouchable?
I have never sent SPAM but I have eaten it;
I've don't believe anything I read in spam including any disclaimers. I certainly wouldn't send any of these gomers any email to opt out since that would just confirm my existence.
As to the most obnoxious things in life, I would rate telemarketers as Number 1 for obvious reasons, and Spam email as Number 2 (don't want to have to take the time to delete and surely don't want spam to max out my storage capacity). Junk snail mail is way down my list of obnoxious things. It never taxes the capacity of my mailbox and is real easy to throw in the trash.
The primary difference to traditional direct mail advertising is, that in the paper world the sender pays for all the costs involved in transporting his message to you. It is illegal to send unsoliticed advertisements per fax in most civilized countries, because the recipients have to pay for the paper they would get printed on. You also pay approximately half the real costs of each e-mail message you receive.
Last time I knew anything about it, it was just a proposed bill (and probably only in the state of alaska, maybe just a single county). On the bright side though, isn't california one of the states that AOL successfully sued for $500 per spam email they received in? Why would a spammer tell you they are in california, it makes it easier to determine if it's worth tracking them down and suing when you know what state they are in.
This post barely makes sense to myself, so I'm wondering if my ability to comprehend text just winked out, or if my ability to write it is going wonkers... (hopefully just my ability to comprehend... time for some sleep).
That is a good answer Lawman. I have never seen a TOS that did not have an anti-spam stipulation. Although it would seem there must be some out there. I don't recieve that much spam but the ones I do recieve appear to be from the same people over an extended period of time (I don't have any kind of spam filtering BTW). I have recieved two spams already from the above mentioned SEO. I think at least that the disclaimer might cut down on the amount of negative feedback on a certain spammer. I know I myself have not reported them, and judging by the references above about what their opt-out might really be for I'm glad I never did so.
P.S. Lawman check your sticky mail for a dollar and a donut :)
People are warned NOT to ever unsubscribe from or do any response to mail like that because any kind of a response will verify that it's a valid live email address, and then they can really get bombarded. It's highly unlikely the law would make that an option for being legal when it's a commonly known spammers tool.
i also heard that the EU recently attempted to introduce anti-spam laws but that the UK vetoed them to "protect the interests of UK businesses". (gee, thanks mr blair)
whatever "justification" is written on the bottom of a spam, it is still spam, most likely agains the terms and conditions of the host, and if the company sending it is in california, then it may also be illegal.
i'm thinking of modifying my terms by adding a fee for reading spam mail and billing those companies that send me spam. if a group of us get together to do that we could jointly sue any company that refused to pay our fees. any takers?
I receive on average about 20 spam emails a day, one I used to receive weekly was from an SEO company claiming to be able to get me top of the SERPS :)
So I got in touch with them by email :) and they sent me another email (not spam :)) explaining their services, so then I replied and asked them if they could explain how they could possibly make me top when their company is no where to be seen on any SE for SEO related keywords.
I haven't received another since :)
But I can't express how much I would like to do something about spam, sometimes I think of devoting my life to it, but then I just delete it and make a cup of tea :)
So is this legit? Could this possibly prevent you from being kicked off your hosting provider?
While I don't have much involvment with those operations personally, my company does run a retail hosting brand so I checked with the guy who'd make the call on TOS violations. He confirmed that such a disclaimer would be meaningless. The TOS spells out what spam is; there's nothing that says it's ok under the circumstances stated in that disclaimer. I'd expect you'd get the same answer from any hosting company.
For instance if one did send such legal spam and got kicked off their ISP could they file suit touting that they were "in accordance with the law"?
Lawman, the whole household got those years ago, including Grandma. They do_not make good pets. :)
I can't see any host's or ISP's refusal of any kind of bulk or spam mailing being against any type of law anyplace. They're generally pretty cookie-cutter, and the ones I remember warn of immediate cancellation of the account.