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How do I get more traffic?

         

fivaxis

9:30 am on Apr 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I need to get more traffic to my jewelry site. So far I have gotten on the main jewelry directories with link exchanges, and I use Adwords, Overture, and Findwhat. For some reason I can't seem to get a good position in the search engines, I'm at 40something in Yahoo and 4HUNDREDsomething in Google for my main search phrase.

Now I'm looking at other areas, I would like to know what others are doing for traffic. I'm looking at banner advertising at BCentral (which is an expensive .50 per click) and also buying cheap hits (which would probably be very hard to convert). Also I guess I should spend some money on SEO.

So what drives traffic to your site?

Raymond

9:35 am on Apr 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Before you get into any pay per click advertising, you should do some research on what your conversion rate is. It is essential in determining how much you can afford to pay for each referral and still make a reasonable profit. Just my 2 cents.

derekwong28

10:31 am on Apr 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

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About half our sales come from SEO and half from PPC. We tried PPC banner advertising through fastclick and the results were disastrous, only 6 conversions after spending $1000. My advice is do not use banner advertising unless it is through affiliates.

Our statistics for conversion rates last month were as follows:

1 in 8 for shopping.com
1 in 22 for Overture
1 in 40 for Google Adwords

With content sites, the conversion rate for Google adwords was 1 in 65.

Therefore, I would try to squeeze as much out of PPC as possible, and perhaps sign up for a few affilate schemes such as Darkblue which is completely free.

Raymond

10:40 am on Apr 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

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"1 in 8 for shopping.com"

That's pretty high. What industry are you in Derek?

fivaxis

11:12 am on Apr 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I will take a look at shopping.com and darkblue. My conversion rate seems to vary quite a bit, but last month (my best month so far) Adwords was 1/114 and Overture was 1/52.

Thanks

derekwong28

12:16 pm on Apr 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

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We are in computer and electronics. I think the reason why shopping.com has such a high conversion rate is that customers can see your price and a picture of the product. Therefore, nothing can be as highly targetted as this. I believe bizrate will have a similar conversion rate but we cannot track this.

However, the conversions we get from Overture is 3 times as much as that as shopping.com and that from Adwords is 3 times as much as Overture. At the moment, I am concentrated on boosting our exposure in Overture.

Although the conversion rate from Google content sites is very poor, I am leaving it as it is for branding purposes.

WebStart

5:43 am on Apr 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I am trying to understand all this conversation and thought I was doing pretty good until I ran into this from DereckWong28

"Our statistics for conversion rates last month were as follows:

1 in 8 for shopping.com
1 in 22 for Overture
1 in 40 for Google Adwords "

And then this from DereckWong28 later:

"the conversions we get from Overture is 3 times as much as that as shopping.com and that from Adwords is 3 times as much as Overture. At the moment, I am concentrated on boosting our exposure in Overture."

I am sorry, but which is better: Shopping.com or Overture, or Google Adwords?

sun818

6:05 pm on Apr 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I think derek may be suggesting although Overture's conversion ratio is not as good as Shopping.com, but the actual number of conversions is higher. We also need volume data to put the conversion ratio into context. But that may be more than one is willing to divulge in a public forum! ;)

labrat

3:48 pm on Apr 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

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To generate more traffic from ppc you can easily throw lots of money at the problem....

But when you measure ppc conversion, is it clickers to buyers, or a monetary comparison, £ (or $) spent vs generated return?

Ultimately you have to do the sums, and it involves looking at margin on botttom line pricing. Working on 50% margin, £1000 sales from a £100 ppc campaign still leaves you with £400 'profit.'

£1000 sales from a £250 campaign means the ppc provider made the same profit as you, but didn't have the salaries, warehousing and distribution infrastructure etc. Was it worth it?

At only 10% margin with a 10:1 ratio, you are losing money.

Somewhere in the mix, every business has a break-even point.

I had £44 return per £1 spent on my best ever adwords campaign for a business with 30% margin. OT & Espotting normally give me around £10 to every £1 spent, I cut my losses at 8:1.

By writing irrestible copy in your ppc ads, and not throwing silly money at first place when 3rd is acheivable for a fraction of the cost, you can make ppc work but the plain fact is that it doesn't suit every business model.

danieljean

9:08 pm on Apr 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

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£1000 sales from a £250 campaign means the ppc provider made the same profit as you, but didn't have the salaries, warehousing and distribution infrastructure etc. Was it worth it?

Well, you ARE £250 richer than when you started. Why does it matter to you that someone else got richer at the same time?

labrat

10:22 pm on Apr 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Like I said:

Somewhere in the mix, every business has a break-even point.

derekwong28

7:01 pm on Apr 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

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This is exactly what I meant. Although some smaller PPCs may be more cost-effective than Overture and Google, the traffic and the no. of conversions you get from you pales in comparison. Therefore, one must try to squeeze the maximum out of OV and Google. For banner advertising to work, you must have a highly recognizable brand coupled with an irresistible offer to act.

tolachi

12:53 am on Apr 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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For more traffic I would suggest a link campaign. Target some of the keywords that convert well and get reasonable traffic. In addition to a bump in rankings you will also hopefully benefit from some good clickthrough traffic. And, despite linkrot, the benefits of a link campaign are fairly permanent compared to ppc spending.

fivaxis

3:05 am on Apr 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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What is a link campaign?

andy_boyd

10:16 am on Apr 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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A link campaign involves getting links from on-topic sites to your site. If you do it right you can build up your PR on Google, boost your rankings and generate a steady stream of traffic.

It's time consuming but well worth it. You could start by checking out the Link Development forum right here at WW. You'll need to script a good email that politely asks for a link. Also, it would be good to set up a links page that can be navigated to from your homepage as a lot of sites will require a recirocal link. If you can get away without linking back, do it.

Just my own 2 cents.

danieljean

11:57 pm on Apr 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Are you sure you hit counter is working properly? I had a few more hits than counted by Google, no doubt because they follow the link to do some (likely automated) checking.

Algebrator

12:45 am on Apr 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Can anyone recommend other "shopping" sites worth
being listed on, beside shopping.com and bizrate.com?

Algebrator

12:45 am on Apr 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Can anyone recommend other "shopping" sites worth
being listed on, beside shopping.com and bizrate.com?