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Items returned that smell!

How do you say, tactfully that we can't issue a refund

         

marcyito

6:56 pm on Mar 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hi, i'm new to this form and have a question.

We are an apparel company and often receive returns that smell like smoke or body odor. How can we tactfully tell the customer that we are unable to issue a refund? The item is in good condition, it's just the smell that is overwhelming. Usually we just take the hit and issue a refund, but it has been happening more frequently.

Help!

Shak

6:58 pm on Mar 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

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marcyito,

welcome to webmasterworld.

point 1, arent used items never accepted as a substitute/swop/exchange, only new items in packaging.

point 2, I am sure there is a market for clothes that have been worn and have genuine body odour smells to them (being serios here)

point 3, just swallow it (imo)

Shak

pleeker

7:01 pm on Mar 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Along the lines of shak's point 1, I think you have to write out and post a formal return policy to cover issues like this. If you don't have any policy stating the condition items must be in when returned, you probably have to eat this one, too.

Write a policy and try to prevent more of this in the future. Good luck.

And welcome to WebmasterWorld. :)

<edit to add: My wife worked in retail clothing management for many years and found that many customers would buy an item for a special occasion, wear it, and return it the next day ... often smelling like the water (if it was an event on a boat or near water), or smoke, or whatever. The Big Company she worked for accepted all these returns, but they could afford to in the name of keeping people happy. If you can't, write up a preventative policy.>

[edited by: pleeker at 7:05 pm (utc) on Mar. 30, 2004]

marcyito

7:02 pm on Mar 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

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The items still have tags attached, in good condition, so technically they aren't worn (but they obivously were worn!) I want to email the customer and let them know I only want to offer store credit, but I don't want to say it's because the clothing "smelled".

Shak

7:03 pm on Mar 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

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ok, instead of "smell etc etc"

How about along the lines "not resaleable, or not in pristine condition in which they left distribution centre"

something along those lines methinks

shak

marcyito

7:04 pm on Mar 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

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We do have a return policy outling our return guidelines. We state that the item can't be washed or worn, tags must be attached, etc. The problem is, the item is in good condition but it smells! If I let the customer know we can't issue a refund, they will ask why - will I have to say "because it smells"?

hannamyluv

7:06 pm on Mar 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

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How long has it been since they bought it? You could have a 30 day refund policy, afterwhich you will only give store credit.

I personally would just swallow the cost and issue a refund. You don't know how to got to be smelly, especially if they have tags. For all you know it left you warehouse smelling like that. Having worked in a clothing warehouse, I know that this occationally does happen. Or maybe some jerk at the shipping company spilled something on it. You just don't know.

marcyito

7:07 pm on Mar 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Thanks Shak! Not in pristine condition could possibly work!

pleeker

7:10 pm on Mar 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

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If I let the customer know we can't issue a refund, they will ask why - will I have to say "because it smells"?

"Regardless of the presence of original tags and whether the item was worn or not, refunds will not be issued for items that we determine cannot be resold. We may make such a determination based on a variety of factors including, but not limited to, the appearance, smell, and/or general condition of the item when it is returned to us."

Howzat?

mivox

7:12 pm on Mar 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

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"We reserve the right to limit refunds to in-store credit at our discretion."

or

"We reserve the right to limit refunds to in-store credit, if item is not in pristine condition upon arrival at our facility."

I'd use the first one, since you don't actually have to give a reason in that case, and it covers absolutely every eventuality... but #2 would cover almost anything, even if they tried to blame the item's condition on the postal system.

bufferzone

7:16 pm on Mar 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Think about what you do. Think about the signal you send amd the PR you get. You can rest assured that the customer will not relay the story in a truthful manner and it will look as if you are being unreasonable.

I would recommend that estimate the amount of money pr. Year this will cost and if you find it acceptable, you simply refund as a rule no questions asked.
Of course you need to watch the development in this area, and you might consider writing a polite letter to the customer explaining that you do refund the money no questions asked, but that you will refuse refunding used items in the future. This way the customer cannot complain, hi or she has got his or her money back and you have prevented most people form trying this trick again

ytswy

7:26 pm on Mar 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I see your problem with body odor(!) But I would have thought that smoke smell is a legitimate, and not too insulting, reason to refuse a refund. Smokers (speaking personally) know what they do to clothes, if you state clearly in your T&Cs that you don't accept returns of smoke impregnated items, I wouldn't have thought that would be unreasonable.

Combine that with Shak's slightly more risque suggestion and you have a solution :)

<added>wow, mine would have been third post when I was typing it, this one obviously struck a chord :)</added>

john316

7:30 pm on Mar 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Real life stores won't take back smoked up clothes, they are basically unsaleable, I would just make it clear in your return policy.

marcyito

7:37 pm on Mar 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Thank you all for your comments, it really helped!

hannamyluv

8:34 pm on Mar 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Real life stores won't take back smoked up clothes

Oh, yes they would. I am willing to bet that 9 out of 10 brick and mortars would take it back, no questions asked and the other one might just look at you funny before they rung the return. Especially if it still has the tags. They might issue a store credit, but they would take it back. Heck, I've heard stories of them taking things back that were bought over 20 years ago.

They do it for the PR, as someone mentioned before. If you don't take it back, you have lost a customer and worse, that customer will tell ten of their friends, who will not be your customers either. Do that enough times, and you have a problem.

martyt

9:50 pm on Mar 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

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How about a bottle of Febreze? ;-)

john316

10:04 pm on Mar 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I just had afriend who couldn't return something to a large chain because of smoke smell (tags still on garments), its not that unusual.