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Product Pricing and Reducing Costs

Getting the balance right

         

jweighell

11:50 am on Nov 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I'm having a dilema regarding my product pricing. I've just completed my accounts for the first few months of my website's operation. This has shown that I'm making a gross margin of roughly 25%. This seems a little low to me - what are other people making?

To increase my margin I'm looking at both raising my products and lowering my costs.

Am I taking a risk by raising prices? Is it going to put people off buying? At the moment I mark most of my products up 100% from the purchase price. Many of my products are quite small value (e.g. only a few pounds) although I have some larger value items. Should I look at just increasing the prices on the smaller value items, since changes in these prices won't be too noticable?

Also, I'm looking at ways of cutting my costs. I used to send all my orders with a courier - I've started just using Royal Mail (I'm in the UK) for small orders. On that note, I'm still charge my customers £3.99 postage even though it probably only costs me £1 to send - is this bad? It seems a good way to make more profit from an order where I might only make 50 pence profit (don't forget transaction fees too).

Any other cost cutting ideas would be welcome!

Essex_boy

3:38 pm on Nov 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Ah ha! Im going through the same at the moment. Gross margin of around 30% average price about £15.

Forget it! put your margin up to 75% I found that my cost of sales was around 30%. So a breakdown is as follows out of the 75%, one part 30%, cost of sales i.e credit card transaction costs currency exchange rate costs, 30% for me 15% for extras like errors in shipping costs, adverts etc.

Right the Royal mail, stuff em. Ive paid out nearly a thousand pound this week in postage. Can I find a helpful post office? No. Cant get a discount unless I send X number of parcels on a certain very expensive service.

So im stuck to, my UK orders, upto to 30lbs in weight, go for £7.50 by private carrier, but international orders go parcel farce... I mean force.

Shipping, only charge your true cost. Postage £3 box a £1 bubble wrap etc etc. Make what you need on the product, people will complain if you over charge on shipping, they feel ripped off.

I have found that people are price insensitive on increases up to about 15 % after that sales drop off. However 15% on £15 is not a lot.

Id love to hear who your using as a carrier, I can also give you details of a dirt cheap packaging firm, just sticky me.

RedWolf

5:29 pm on Nov 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Shipping costs are tricky, because the actual mailing costs are not the whole story. You need to include the packaging and most importantly your time to package and ship. If this involves going to the post office and waiting in line, include that time as well as the transportation costs.

I charge a flat $5 shipping in the US and most of my packages ship for $3.85 and the Postal Service Drops off free shipping boxes. I'm still thinking about raising the shipping fee after the holidays because of the time it takes to ship since we don't do enough to really justify pickups.

PCInk

6:03 pm on Nov 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Who told you that you can't have a discount?

Post Offices are pathetic - I agree.

£1000 in a week? If you spend £15k a year, they'll come and collect your mail for free.

And, if you send over 5000 packets a year, you can have a discount. Search their site for PacketPost. (You can get a discount for under 5000 per year, but you need to take them to selected Post Offices, thus defeating the collection service).

Essex_boy

10:40 pm on Nov 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Pc ink, thanks for that I cant belive how much their service varies from place to place.

Rubylily

10:18 am on Nov 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Essex_boy

Post Office Counters staff can be completely useless, some are great and really helpful, buy some haven't a clue. With the kind of postage you are paying out I would go straight to Royal Mail business services and bypass the Post Office completely. You'll find there are all sorts of ways they can help, especially with things like collections. You should find some useful info on their website to get you pointed in the right direction.

bcc1234

10:52 am on Nov 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Increase the cost of your smallest items and lower your shipping by the same amount. You'll start getting much more small orders. At the end, it's much better to get five $20-orders than one $100-order.

As far as profit margins go, I set 120-160% markup, and get about 40% profit at the end, after marketing costs and affiliate payouts. I find this to work out pretty good for me.

GarryBoyd

11:46 am on Nov 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Nothing customers hate more than getting ripped on shipping costs. I try to keep mine low, but a little over cost, to cover the hassles and the odd mistake.

I've had letters of complaint for charging $2 freight on something that cost 90 cents to post, funnily, I never get thank you notes when I undercharge on the freight.

The best solution is to increase your average order value.

PCInk

1:10 pm on Nov 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Another little hint for Royal Mail users:

Calculate any package over 1kg and less than 2kg for both recorded and Special Delivery. On the heavier end of the scale it is cheaper to send it by Special Delivery, plus you get a signiture much faster, delivery is guaranteed next day or your postage money back and insurance starts at £250 minimum instead of £28. Wierd, but true!

And the other hint:

Don't ask the staff about their services (they have that many services that the staff can't be an expert in them all). Always check their website.

Think about it: pensions, benefits, car tax, UK mail, international mail, ParcelForce, stamps, collection services, business deals, licences, bill payments (gas, elec etc..), passports, medical care insurance, banking, money currency changes, Postal Orders and redirection services. Who can be an expert in all of the above?

Also, if you overcharge on postage and get complaints, the best way to handle it is the insurance cover (probably self-funded) and the packaging materials.

Essex_boy

7:05 pm on Nov 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

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PCink thanks for the tip on postage, didnt know that....

I find that if you use a small subpost office the staff are much more in the know about just whats what. Stands to reason really.

Yeah hear what you say on postage, yes most peolple dont seem to mind paying over the odds im just one of those people who think that you shouldnt overcharge in that respect.

Up to you really.

PCInk

9:08 pm on Nov 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Overcharging on postage is very reflective of the product range. For example, if you sell 10 products, I expect you can calculate the exact amount the postage would be. For a site like mine, how can I calculate the exact postage for over 3500 products. To buy one of each of the products would cost over £750k. Note that Amazon can easily charge a fixed cost, even though the real cost is different. And then if you charge postage, let's say it costs you £1.00 (for arguments sake), you are really supposed to add VAT to the delivery amount (by law because postage is VAT exempt to buy, but should include VAT pro-rate to the VAT rate of the products you are selling). Thus you charge £1.18, but stick a £1.00 stamp on the box. The customer thinks that they have been overcharged and yet you only get £1.00 and the VAT man gets the 18p. If you charge the exact amount, you are losing out in reality (if you do the VAT correctly).