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Online no doctor needed pharmacy sites.....

Is anyone making money with these?

         

lizzie

5:13 am on Nov 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I have an online pharmacy affiliate site. I have not promoted it yet. I don't know if I want to try promoting it because I don't trust the people running it to pay me my commissions. Has anyone gotten money worth mentioning from this?

pmac

5:36 am on Nov 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Have a read of this thread.

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lizzie

6:34 pm on Nov 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I've read that. I know all that.
My question was: Is anyone making money with these?

Robino

7:55 pm on Nov 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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yes.

Go60Guy

8:28 pm on Nov 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Yes, yes, yes.

richlowe

8:33 pm on Nov 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Is anyone making money with these?

Of course ethics doesn't figure into it...

lizzie

4:07 am on Nov 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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ethics: I don't have health insurance and have been jerked around almost everytime I visited a doctor-- without going into detail I have gone over ten years seeing doctors-and suffering greatly-- before I finally found one who diagnosed my asthma and treated me effectively for it. There are many other horror stories I could tell you but my point is some of us HATE doctors due to what they've put us through so I really resent anyone deciding that me or anyone who tried to get help for themself is being unethical, nor are doctors who make it easier for us by not demanding we spend time driving, waiting and schlepping into their offices.
Anyone who mentions "ethics" on this needs to get a life lesson.
Thank you to those who answered my question.

John_Shaw

4:48 am on Nov 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Just looking at the business and not the ethics, these online pharmacies may be shut down pretty soon. Also I wouldn't like to be involved in the business when someone buys Viagra or something and then has a fatal drug interaction. It sounds like a business to stay away from.

lizzie

6:45 am on Nov 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I agree it sounds like a good way to get in lots of trouble if someone drops dead after buying drugs from your site. But with any website it is smart to make yourself judgement proof. There are many ways to do this and as webmasters we can't ignore this side of the business for any site.
I had a lawyer calling me from the other side of the country trying to extort money from me by saying he was going to file a "class action lawsuit" against me. He got my phone number from whois. IF I would send him $1500 he would not file a huge lawsuit against me. I sent him a letter saying he would never find any assets I owned and he was welcome to try. I never heard from him again. This was for totally harmless doorway pages. I no longer use my home number in whois. Lawyers leave you alone if you are judgement proof.

richlowe

7:22 am on Nov 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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some of us HATE doctors due to what they've put us through so I really resent anyone deciding that me or anyone who tried to get help for themself is being unethical

I apologize for the remark about ethics...I was annoyed at the time because of the huge amount of spam I have been receiving from offshore pharmacies begging me to get their special generic viagra, vicodin and MS contin.

i understand the point about doctors, and personally I view the entire medical profession as just a big gaggle of babbling idiots. The drug companies are worse than criminal and so far beyond being unethical...they want to ban people like me from getting drugs for my wife from Canada, the exact same drugs available here in the US but at 10% of the price, because it cuts into their profits. Yet my wife is in pain and the stupid insurance company will not approve the drug because they believe their nurses assistant is smarter than my doctor.

My wife is alive now because we got her out of the care of the idiot doctors at Queen of Angeles in Los Angeles. My wife came so close to dying that she actually did get a peak at the "other side" and I literally had to go get her and haul her back. And I mean literally...

My advice to the world is let's stop being stupid with our diets and lack of exercise and insane health and dating habits. The way to live a long time is to be healthy, live a healthy lifestyle and remove the stress and bad from your life. Then you don't need drugs, doctors and insurance companies, and perhaps the 17% of the US economy that is now focused on these silly preventable ailments will drop and medical profession can be hurridly retrained to clean streets or something...although based upon most doctors I've met, I think they are not competent for even that task.

Um, sorry, didn't mean to get started. It's been a tough battle getting my wife back to health, and fighting the medical profession was not something I thought I had to confront to do it. I kind of expected medicine to be an ally, but in reality medicine is an enemy of life.

Go60Guy

4:47 pm on Nov 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I'm a little more visionary. Tele-medicine is one of the waves of the future, and online pharmacies will be an evolved part of that trend.

lizzie

2:26 am on Nov 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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RichLowe I'm sorry to hear about what a hard time you've had. I think anything that lets us bypass the stranglehold that doctors have on healthcare is a good thing, and I think online pharmacies can be a blessing for lots of folks.
I too gets about 100 spams a day from online pharmacies. Most are ads for "member enlargement." I don't have a member.
I think I'll promote my pharmacy site (but not with spam)but first I'm going to change the owner information related to my site. No one needs to know my name and phone number as a site owner for anything other than a lawsuit do they?

mipapage

2:41 am on Nov 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I'm a little more visionary. Tele-medicine is one of the waves of the future, and online pharmacies will be an evolved part of that trend.

Listening...

After the interview at pubcon, I'm all ears for your ideas Go60Guy!

And all of this spam recently has me checking out these viagra etc. affs...

lizzie

7:21 pm on Nov 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I'm all for being visonary and tele-medicine etc. but as a realist the medical establishment has so much $ and power as well as the drug companies that anything that competes with the system as it is now will be shot down.
Look at how the drug companies have influenced the FDA to crack down on all the poor seniors out there who are buying drugs cheaper in Canada. Greed rules, poor people have to go without their medicines so the drug companies can stay rich.

derekwong28

12:42 am on Nov 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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<I had a lawyer calling me from the other side of the country trying to extort money from me by saying he was going to file a "class action lawsuit" against me. He got my phone number from whois. IF I would send him $1500 he would not file a huge lawsuit against me.>

I really would hate running a business of any kind in the US. We have had problems twice from US lawyers in the past alleging that some products we sold infringed their trademarks and patents. Of course, they couldn't take things further because we were in Hong Kong.

There is a lawsuit going on in the US which, if successfully could make all web site owners in the world liable for civil action for infringement of patents.

Back to the subject of online pharmacies. They are clearly illegal, no matter whether the medicines are being shipped from a third country, or that a coniving doctor signs fake prescription sheets for them afterwards.

It is no use of having yourself covered by the use of the correct language in your web site, and it is no defence for not knowing the law. You are deemed to know the law. The fact that you do not know that murder is a crime is not a defence. Unless you are sure that there are no prescription-only drugs involved, I would strong advise you not to go ahead.

richlowe

2:34 am on Nov 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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They are clearly illegal,

Actually they are often quite legal. For example, by insurance company runs an online pharmacy of it's own from which it offers a steap discount on the co-insurance. Drugstore.com is an online pharmacy affiliated with rite aid and there are many canadian pharmacies which are very legal. And thank the gods and goddesses, as drugs are becoming so god-aweful expensive that it's becoming difficult to be able to afford them anymore.

Go60Guy

2:50 am on Nov 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Wow! Lots of law being practiced around here, much of it coming from folks who see the sky falling.

Regarding traditional medicine, you can forget about it. Insurance companies drive the way medicine is practiced today, and one of the ways costs can be cut dramatically is through tele-medicine.

Blue Sheild of California already covers doctors visits online. Look for a lot more of this.

lizzie

3:27 am on Nov 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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No an online pharmacy located in the US is not illegal. A doctor writes a prescription for all prescription drugs which are then filled by the pharmacy. In a couple of states this is illegal. The FDA has shut down two of the pharmacies recently which fill these prescriptions but there is no legal reason for this since they were filling prescriptions written by a doctor. As long as a doctor writes a prescription it is not illegal to get it filled online.

Kackle

3:33 am on Nov 24, 2003 (gmt 0)



It's a gray area.

From the Miami Herald:

Joe Kilmer, Miami spokesman for the Drug Enforcement Administration, said that since a valid doctor-patient relationship didn't exist before ordering the Vicodin, the pharmacy, the doctor and the reporter were all violating the law....

john316

4:11 am on Nov 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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There is always money in the grey areas, its fast and easy, but the general rule is this:

When grey turns to white, you probably won't keep the money.

derekwong28

10:23 am on Nov 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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What I believe is happening is that a person makes an order for a prescription only drug from an online pharmarcy.

The pharmacy then goes to a physcian who it pays to make up a fake presciption for this person. The doctor would clearly not seen or contacted the person in any manner.

Although the pharmacy would have covered itself by this shady practice. Clearly the doctor and the pharmacy would have broken the law.

killroy

12:24 pm on Nov 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Actually, usually the pharmacy employs the doctor. The doctor reads the questionair you filled in which contains the same stuff teh doctor would normally ask you in person, and the writes out the prescription.

3 differences to the manual system:

- Prescriptions are written in bulk and could be less thourough.
- Doctor looses face-to-face experience and can't tell as easily how honest you are and can't qualify and ask.
- And finally it's hard to cehck it's really a doctor doing it.

I believe these were some of the points the DEA brought up.

SN

lizzie

11:34 pm on Nov 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I am wondering if the people that run these companies are honest. It bothers me that they can take out commissions from me and I would never know the difference. I guess it's the same with any affiliate program.

lizzie

4:26 am on Nov 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I was just reading about these sites and the efforts to police them on the internet. It seems there was a push on 2 years ago to regulate them somehow. The overworked FDA has a place on their site where people can report illegal pharmacy sites. I still don't know what makes a site illegal. I don't know if I am breaking any laws by promoting these sites or being an affiliate. I can't find any info anywhere. I DO know that the company that makes the sites, hires the doctors and ships the drugs is registered in another country. Yet they are all right there in Florida. The HAVE prosecuted the doctors involved in these sites, and prosecuted people who run the sites who ship the drugs and also have sites selling them. There is such a crazed frenzy to prosecute anyone involved in drugs of any type. I guess it is risky and of course risky for anyone to buy drugs this way. I read that there was a death from an overdose linked to online drug purchases.hmmm, mulling it over......