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Secure form?

         

Tonearm

8:41 pm on Mar 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

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There is a company that claims their log in form is secure, but the tests I run on it tell me it's not. How can I tell for sure?

Strange

8:48 pm on Mar 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

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As far as I know, if the address doesn't start https:// and there isn't a lock in the corner of my browser, it isn't a secure form.

tedster

9:01 pm on Mar 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

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If you can discuss it without mentioning specific web pages, what testing have you done that make you feel the site is not secure?

It's also a good practice to set your browser to warn you when you are moving from a secure situation to an unsecure one. I believe this is the default set-up and would only be disabled if you clicked on a "Don't show me this warning again" box.

jatar_k

9:03 pm on Mar 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

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what were the tests that you ran?

if the address doesn't start https:// and there isn't a lock in the corner of my browser, it isn't a secure form

actually that is not quite right. The action of the form must be a page that is https thereby making for encrypted communication. It doesn't matter if the form itself is under https.

I've spent a lot of time sniffing this scenario and as long as the form action is under https then the secure connection is established before any data is transmitted.

Tonearm

10:33 pm on Mar 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Ok, thanks for your responses guys. This situation actually has me pretty frustrated with this large, pretty high-profile company.

The log in page is "naturally" http, and I can change it to https, but the landing page after the log in is http. In IE, if I go to "Tools -> Internet Options -> Security -> Custom Level -> Miscellaneous -> Submit nonencrypted form data" and set it to "Enable" it submits just fine. But if I change that setting to "Disable", it won't submit and a browser error pops up. Sounds like a nonencrypted/nonsecure form to me.

This company has already charged me for their service and now I have to log into this form with some very sensitive information of mine. I have gone back and forth with them via email, but they have told me over and over that "my data is encrypted before it ever hits the Internet". I have gone over the whole browser test with them twice. They are being very rude about it.

brucec

4:43 am on Mar 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Also, if the little padlock icon is not on the bottom of the web browser, then it is not secure.

okrogius

2:06 pm on Mar 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I'd suggest do a manual post of some dummy data in a telnet or a simular fashion so you can see the responce http headers.

Reason I'm suggesting is that it's possible that an http page submits to an https page, which in turn redirects you to an http page via something like a Location: header.

asquithea

2:44 pm on Mar 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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In a similar vein, you could try using Mozilla Firefox with the Live Http Headers extension. That should let you see what data is being passed to and from your browser without any difficulty.