Netscape 7.1 & Mozilla 1.4

[msr986]

Mozilla 1.4 final was released today.

Even more significant, it seems that Netscape 7.1 also released today, is based on Moz 1.4.

It's good to see a Netscape release that uses a current MOZ release. Netscape is usually two or three versions behind MOZ.

[jdMorgan]

NN7.1 First impressions:

Faster. Quite a bit.

Dynamically re-renders pages while resizing... can make you dizzy on some sites.

Bookmark button drag-and-drop to browser window easter egg is finally fixed in NN7.1 (This was previously fixed in Mozilla 1.3)

Jim

[zeus]

I have never done so much in Browsers, I have always used microsoft, but maybe its time, what would you recomend.

It must be quick
No spys
Good for a PRo webmaster
and I know some kills pop ups, but I dont want that so there must be off/on button.

zeus

[BlobFisk]

Hey zeus,

Opera 7.11 - it's the only way to fly!

[Josk]

You just need Mozilla...

Feature specific to webmasters...
* Tabbed browsing allows better organisation of open web pages
* DOM inspector allows the DOM tree to viewed
* Popup killer has setting for different sites
* Allows quick launch, and is 1.4 is much faster than other versions

[zeus]

Yes I have seen some talk about the mozilla sounds interesting, about opera it just not catch me, I have never tried it but it just not say yo get that browser.

zeus

[BlobFisk]

Have a read of these threads before dismissing Opera:

Opera 7 W3-dev Menu [webmasterworld.com]

Opera 7's Alternate Stylesheets [webmasterworld.com]

[rainborick]

I'm a Netscape fan and just downloaded v7.1 and am royally annoyed at one thing... some code jockey decided to re-arrange the pop-up context menu for links so that now "Open Link In A New Window" now appears first and "Open Link in a new Tab" appears second. I find it hard to believe that there were users who were clamoring for this change. If there's a way to change this back, I'd appreciate hearing about it. I'm having to un-learn a 2-year old work habit. ARGH! Thanks for letting me vent.

I don't use Opera, and I respect anyone whose made a conscious choice rather than simply using MSIE because it came installed on their system, but I would encourage folks to try either Mozilla or Netscape as well. I'm a big fan of the tabbed browsing, I have really come to appreciate the Sidebars that give me instant access to W3C specs and more (think of it as a Favorites window with brains), the personal toolbar lets you create pull-down menus using your bookmarks, the pop-up killer is fully integrated and smart enough to allow pop-ups triggered by user actions, and the built-in JavaScript debugger and cookie and password managers do just about everything you'd want them to do.

[drbrain]

Wow, you missed the coolest new features of Netscape 7.1 [devedge.netscape.com]:

DOM Inspector and Venkman JS debugger.

Don't forget about about:config, a useful JS console (double-clicking on an error jumps to the line of the error in JS source), web services support (WSDL and SOAP)

Of course, these things have been in all of the Mozilla releases, but its nice to see them in an NS browser.

I'm waiting for Moz 1.5 (possibly NS 7.5), when Mozilla Firebird is the browser (I currently use the nightlies with Radial Context, Compact Menu, Style Selector, Download Bar, DOM Inspector and Live HTTP Headers).

[zeus]

Has there been any test about what Browser is the best, like Car tests in mags.

zeus

P.s Who made opera

[dingman]

would you believe it if someone told you that "car X is the best. Buy that one."? I'm guessing you'd test drive a few that seemed promising, and pick one that was best for you. Web browsers are kinda the same thing. Lots of people here think Opera is the best. Some think Mozilla is. Myself, I go for one called Galeon, but I often use Mozilla for the DOM inspector and the javascript debugger, and occasionally use Opera when I want to make sure that the output of a POST method form processor is valid. Try a few. They're free (gratuit), after all, and some are even Free (libre).

<added>Opera is made by Opera Software.</added>

[Hester]

I've noticed some changes in Mozilla 1.4 on a site at work which was built using FrontPage. Before, it looked the same as IE6. But now links have a red underline, which is separated from the text! Enough to cross out the lines below.

Also a menu strip across the top now has link sections that are too deep, causing an uneven bottom edge.

An input form with a slightly bevelled border now has a solid one in the colour of the Windows XP theme.

The release notes for 1.4 say there are thousands of bug fixes and code improvements. Could it be that the browser is now even stricter? Which is, of course, a good thing.

Anyone else noticed any differences?

[moonbiter]

Tip: If you do try out Mozilla 1.4 be sure to download the Preferences Toolbar [xulplanet.com] and the Google toolbar [googlebar.mozdev.org], which both rock. If you are a developer, also consider bopping over to Netscape DevEdge [devedge.netscape.com] and installing the DevEdge Sidebar [devedge.netscape.com], which includes quick links to the HTML, XSLT, CSS, Javascript, and the Gecko DOM reference guides.

[zeus]

I just used Mozilla for a short time, first the pictures load a little slower and at the end it went down, so out it is now its opera time.

But thanks to all.

zeus

[hartlandcat]

Well, I downloaded Netscape 7.1 yesturday! It took 2 hours, and not much more difference from version 7.0, except for the mail, which has ways of clasifying email by colour, SPAM controls and improved controls for AOL Mail support.

Sorry Tedster, I don't know about Mozilla 1.4... I don't use Mozila.

[Reflection]

Upgraded to Mozilla 1.4 today.

I have a couple questions about Mozilla... How do you/Is there a way to setup mozilla so that every link opens in a tab rather than in a new instance of mozilla? Its a pain to have to hold ctrl every time I want a link to open in a tab.

#2 Is it possible to customize the toolbars a little more? For instance I would like to shrink the address bar and move the personal toolbar up beside the navigation bar.

Thanks

[drbrain]

I believe you set 'browser.linkTarget' to 1 in about:config to get links to open in a new window, but this doesn't work for JS windows.

If you have a mouse with a middle button, set up your middle mouse button to open in tab.

Switch to Firebird to customize the menus. I installed the Compact Menu and RadialContext extensions, so the File, Edit, etc menu is replaced by a button that looks like a rat or fish.

My layout is:

[ urlbar ] history compact_menu
bookmarks bookmarks bookmarks [ google search ]
Tab Tab Tab
Content area

Since these aren't 'standard' toolbars, they show up in popups, which can be very handy.

You'll notice that I don't have back, forward, stop, or reload buttons, because they're all on RadialContent's pie menus, so back and forward are a left click and drag left or right respectively, and stop and reload are left click and drag up or down respectively, other more complex operations can be performed with a two-step 'gesture'.

The pie menu is context-sensitive, so when text is highlighted, or a link is right-clicked on, different actions show, much more efficient than the standard drop-down menu.