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Obsolete META Tags

Which tags are redundant?

         

waldemar

4:12 pm on Jun 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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As mentioned in an earlier thread, the "Author"-Meta-Tag is said to be obsolete except than in an educational/university context. What other Meta-Tags shouldn't be used today?

Macguru

4:28 pm on Jun 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I still use charset, keywords and description. Sometimes robots for special pages. A few other tags are special and should be used for rare occasions.

As for the rest of them .. [vif.com] ;)

DrDoc

5:38 pm on Jun 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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And... I always use the <title> tag as well ;)

ritch_b

5:58 pm on Jun 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Dead or alive tags have been a topic of some discussion recently, with different people offering different reasons for using different tags - using the site search will show some useful threads.

Chucking my two-penneth into the arena, I tend to stick with well formed and relevant title, keywords and description whilst also adding the charset tag.

The robots tag is useful on occasions where you don't want indexing to occur.

Other than those, I largely ignore the rest. Different stroke for different folks though...

R.

DrDoc

6:09 pm on Jun 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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One reason why there has been so much discussion (and so many different answers) is quite understandable since there's no right answer for everyone. There are several factors to take into consideration.

  • audience
  • site search engine
  • "legal" requirements
  • browser instructions

    The last category will hold meta tags such as pragma, expires, etc.

  • pageoneresults

    6:38 pm on Jun 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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    I'm with DrDoc with this one and I do recall the author tag discussion as I was the one who posted the response.

    It all comes down to the target audience. If you were targeting librarians, then there is a whole list of meta data that you could use.

    A lot of the meta data we see in use today comes from people copying from sites that had decent positions in the SERPs (Search Engine Results Pages) not realizing that half of those tags were not relevant in the overall SEM strategy.

    Sites that get indexed by universities, government, libraries, etc. will probably use a set of meta data that most of us would never consider using. Then we have the whole Dublin Core Standard which is another topic in itself.

    If you are doing strictly SEO/SEM, there are typically two meta tags that you will use...

    <meta name="description" content="Description here.">
    <meta name="keywords" content="Keywords here.">

    Your <head></head> section may contain the following once completed...

    <head>
    <title></title>
    <meta description>
    <meta keywords>
    <style reference>
    <javascript reference>
    </head>

    It does no harm having additional meta data elements other than adding size to your html. If they serve no purpose in your promotional campaign, get rid of them.

    waldemar

    6:47 pm on Jun 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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    The W3C HTML 4.01 Recommendation says

    "This specification does not define a set of legal meta data properties. The meaning of a property and the set of legal values for that property should be defined in a reference lexicon called a profile. For example, a profile designed to help search engines index documents might define properties such as "author", "copyright", "keywords", etc."

    (http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/struct/global.html#h-7.4.4.2)

    The recommendation also *mentions* many different types of meta tags like author, expires, keywords, copyright and date - to explain the use of the meta tag.

    Can it be there is no official guidelines for the use of metas? I have a large table in mind that lists the meta tags useful in different "profiles" (like 'search engine optimized' etc.)...

    pageoneresults

    6:55 pm on Jun 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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    Hello waldemar, I've read that bit from the W3C hundreds of times just to make sure that I did not misinterpret anything there. Basically what they are saying is that you can define any meta data that you wish as long as there is a profile to support it.

    <meta name="mykeywords" content="Keywords here.">

    Notice how I changed the meta name to mykeywords instead of keywords. If there was a profile out there somewhere that supported mykeywords then it would be useful for that resource.

    There has been so much abuse in the meta data arena that few of them have any relevance in SEO/SEM. In fact, the only two that I know of that are relevant are the description and keywords tag. All of the others are useless, not obsolete, just useless.

    P.S. Before I get in too much trouble, there is other meta data that is helpful in the structuring of a site. Link relationships, language, etc. can and should be used where appropriate.

    pageoneresults

    7:10 pm on Jun 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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    Let me throw a wrench in the gears...

    Metadata Activity Statement [w3.org]

    If I am reading that correctly, meta data will be, or is being replaced with the RDF (Resource Description Framework). I need to really hunker down and read what is there as I believe it will be the new standard of delivering document information via XML. Any experts around who know about the RDF?

    Description of the contents of Web pages. This is one of the basic functions of the Dublin Core initiative. The Dublin Core is a set of 15 properties associated with bibliographic information. These can be used to describe items on the Web sufficiently well that search engines and other software can work much more efficiently. The Dublin Core Workshop series has been a major influence on the development of RDF.

    georgeek

    7:35 pm on Jun 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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    pageoneresults Yes I was wondering when someone would mention that. There is at least one RDF in use which I discovered some time ago at [dublincore.org...] for the Dublin Core Metadata Initiative site which is all XHTML 1.0 Transitional.

    pageoneresults

    7:39 pm on Jun 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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    If you were to read through some of the material at the W3C and the Dublin Core initiative, you would think that META Tags are Dead based on the RDF. It has me wondering now. I've just set aside 4 hours for reading this stuff over the next few days.

    I'd rather have one of the XML experts step in to help us understand exactly what the RDF is and how it relates to today's use of META tags.

    P.S. At times I really wish we had a representative from the W3C or the Dublin Core initiative to help us understand all of this.

    waldemar

    8:15 pm on Jun 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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    (Interesting general article about RDF: [xml.com...]

    georgeek: Sounds interesting, how do the browser behave with this rdf-code?

    g1smd

    10:48 pm on Jun 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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    <title> and <meta description> are required.

    <meta keywords> is still a good idea, but not widely used.

    You'll also need a <meta Content-Type> (aka Character-Encoding) declaration so the browser knows whether you used ISO-8859-1, UTF-8 or some other encoding on your page.

    A <meta Content-Language> is a good idea for when search engines eventually take note of what language the pages are actually in.

    The <meta robots> tag is important for some pages, especially if you intend blocking the robots from just a very small number of pages.

    Nothing else is particularly important, but the date and author can help you in managing your content, and help surfers with saved pages or with contacting authors in large enterprises.

    .

    Finally these two disable some Microsoft features:
    <meta http-equiv="imagetoolbar" content="no">
    <meta name="MSSmartTagsPreventParsing" content="true">

    pageoneresults

    11:15 pm on Jun 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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    I always enjoy when g1smd stops by to keep me on my toes in reference to specifics. ;) I've extracted a snippet of my <head> to give you an idea of what I usually work with...

    <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd">

    <html>

    <head>
    <title></title>
    <meta name="description" content="">
    <meta name="keywords" content="">
    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=windows-1252">
    <link href="style.css" type="text/css" rel="stylesheet">
    <script type="text/javascript" src="script.js"></script>
    </head>

    And, I normally keep them in that order. I always list <title> first, <description> second, and <keywords> third.

    Hester

    9:33 am on Jun 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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    What are the meta tags relevant to universities?

    g1smd

    6:52 pm on Jun 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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    Pageone: yep that all looks fine. No problems there.

    Hester: Would you mind expanding that question?

    Macguru

    7:07 pm on Jun 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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    >>What are the meta tags relevant to universities?

    The ones they put on their own pages for their own internal search engines.

    Krapulator

    7:16 am on Jun 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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    This is my favourite meta-tag and I attrribute all of my search engine success to it:

    <META NAME='JediMindTrick' CONTENT="You will rank me number one!">

    waldemar

    7:58 am on Jun 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

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    How about
    <META name="IgnoreMetaTags" content="Yes">
    :-]