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What is wrong with MS

the future of Internet Explorer

         

Yoeri

6:38 pm on May 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Does anybody knows about the future of IE?

It looks like MS is only releasing security and bugfixes for their browser, but I can't read anything on the future of the browser.

It is more than 18 months ago since MS released IE6, so ... th browser is far behind on its competitors, and since I must support the latest 2 IE versions at work, I am very annoyed with it.

I just hope, MS will either stop developing the "downlevel" browser (as they call Moz in .NET), or come up with a good standards compliant IE7.

What are your thoughts on IE and the future of it?

Greetz

caine

6:41 pm on May 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Is 18 months that long, i thought IE5 and its upgrades was out from late 1999, till the release of V.6. The vast majority of the web design for it, its a problem for good ms-fearing coders, who like to observe W3C standards, but hey while its still the biggest browser parsing pages on the web its future is assured.

Wertigon

6:49 pm on May 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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IMO, MS needs to get its act together when it comes to IE - If they don't release IE 7 within the next six months, or if they do and IE 7 still doesn't support the most basic of webbstandards (like full PNG support and stuff) I believe users will more and more go over to the alternatives. I mean, the specs have been out there for in some cases 7 years now! How goddamn difficult can it be?

It's a shame, really. IE 6 was a top-notch browser when it was released and had much going for it, now it's the new NN4. Trouble is, you can't ignore it, either, since it got about 85-90% of the user base out there... >_<

I sure hope people start to see reason soon...

SuzyUK

6:58 pm on May 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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What is wrong with MS

the answer is obviously, everything and nothing...;)

While I'm resigned to the fact that the Future of IE is undoubtedly assured (the nothing), I'm also one of those "standards coders" so I'm in no hurry to see IE7.(the everything)

The way I see it is:

1. the more of it they get "right" (standardized) next time, then it's about blinking time and I'm already coding to suit..

2. if they keep up with their "we'll do it our way" attitude then we already have the workarounds/conditionals, so no change there either, except I'll be sad(could think of another 2 words ;)) that it's going to take forever and another release before everyone can enjoy the same things regardless of their preferred browser..

However I do like what I see in that very quietly (very, very quietly) I see signs of rebellion...

One small voice in the M$ monopoly debacle..
Suzy

Yoeri

8:11 pm on May 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I started a few months ago doing some study about css, and all the layouting stuff ... so I found Mozilla and gave it a try.

I just notice every day that IE does something wrong, either being to tolerant in javascript or rendering stuff in another way than Mozilla (or Opera).

As I have to support the 2 latest IE versions, I can not write my web apps with good standards compliant css ...

I started this thread just to see if other people where having the same problems ... looks like everybody is trying to search and invent miraculous hacks to workaround buggy implementations, while there is a good (imho better) alternative.

It is funny how everybody (including me) jumps on the M$ bandwagon.

I just hope I can write css without having to switch between 3 different browsers to look for the differences ...

It is time that Billy G. wakes up and starts writing IE7, the good point now is that M$ is finally getting some very good competition (FireBird is promising) ...

Now, I'll stop whining and hope I get some interesting reactions ...

tedster

8:31 pm on May 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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very quietly (very, very quietly) I see signs of rebellion...

I mentioned in another thread that I did some work for a members only community -- and my first analysis of their logs showed 5% were Opera users.

It turns out that the Tech team there had been scrupulous in alerting their community about security patches - and each time they passed on information about a new IE security hole, they also pushed alternatives for browsing and email.

Standards are nice, and I would welcome a more standards compliant IE 7. But I think security is a bigger issue for most users.

That "security memo" from Gates, which was also a savvy PR move, shows that he sees this picture clearly. Security concerns are what drove me away from IE years ago, and if they don't get it right next time, they will have a major problem.

Hester

9:10 am on May 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I have heard that IE7 is the last version. After that they will push MSN 8. I have also heard that IE7 will feature tabs, but not quite like Mozilla and Opera, a pop-up feature, but not an all-out ban, but that's about it.

Note: these are all still rumours! No-one really knows. But wouldn't it be good if the delay turned out to be because they wanted to get it right this time?

davis

10:49 am on May 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hester,

I've heard the same rumor just recently... I hate to think that I'd have to put up with MSN 8.. *shivers*

If they ever died force MSN8 upon you, will you guys stay, or switch to something else for primary browser use?

Hester

11:09 am on May 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I have already switched to Mozilla a while ago as it offers so many improvements: tabbed browsing is a killer - forums are so much easier to surf with it, not to mention websites in general. Plus stopping pop-up ads and unwanted new windows is a must too.

Yoeri

6:39 am on May 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I also heard rumours about MS doing nothing at all to Internet Explorer ... except releasing security and bug fixes.

I don't like the idea of being forced to use MSN explorer. Usually, they ship a new version of IE with a new OS, so probably we'll have to wait until the release of Longhorn, that is in 2005 ...

Sinner_G

7:24 am on May 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I have never used MSN Explorer. What is the difference to IE?

TGecho

5:07 pm on May 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

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It's kinda funny, I hadn't noticed any really big problems with IE6 (guess that shows how much I know). Thinking of MSN makes me shudder though (don't know anything about it, just a hunch...). Yeah, I think I'd switch.

korkus2000

5:28 pm on May 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I have heard that rumor about MSN explorer. I had MSN dial up for a little while and was not too thrilled with MSN explorer. It was like a fisher price program. I like my programs in the background and not distracting. MSN explorer was very distracting. I don't think IE will be scrapped for MSN explorer though. I think windows explorer will take over IE when they finish rolling out .Net.