XHTML, Who writes it then ?

I know i do whenever possible am i a fool ?

[deadb0y]

Well the title says it all really. Im a professional web programmer of 5 years or so, i do loads of perl, php, mysql and *nix work.

Of late i have started using XHTML 1.0 for all output and page designs, this forces us to use css for anything but the most basic layouts.

Who else uses XHTML ?

[lorax]

I've been using it more and more as of late. I'm on the verge of adding XML to the mix as well.

The CSS/XHTML combination has been spoken of often on this Board - a quick search on the two will yield you many juicy results to read through!

[Nick_W]

Try sifting through some of the posts in this forum, that will help put things in perspective...

Nick

[moonbiter]

I use XHTML exclusively. I try for XHTML Strict, but have to settle for XHTML Transitional more than I like.

[papabaer]

I've been coding XHTML for well over a year now. I am very comfortable with it and, I've actually learned a thing or two because of XHTML's inherent "strictness."

I haven't used a table layout for over eighteen months; my stats tracking reveals increased traffic and good conversion ratios. My typical page size has been reduced by 50% (html code) without a comparable reduction of content. I've also seen very good results from an SEO perspective. Obviously, many factors come into play, but still, XHTML is the foundation I work from: logical page structure and CSS are the tools.

[matthias]

I just started with XHTML/CSS and was a little disappointed. It's a cool idea and it forces you to make a good pagestructure but there are just sooo many limitations. Not in XHTML (I think) but in CSS.

I only worked with it for two weeks now and I already have some big wishes. The first one would solve almost every of my problems. Why isn't it possible to calculate metrics? It would be very usefull if you could access the height of the parent (not the preceding!) div and say give me 90% of this value.
And we all know about the poor "center" support.

I will go on with XHTML (Transitional - it's easier to work around the "center" problem) but I know, I will have a lot of fights with the graphic designer department. :)

"Just make it this way."
"Nope, not possible."
"but I can do it!"
"You don't use xhtml."
"Than make it that way."
"Sorry..."

And by the way: I don't care about NN4. We have a lot of multimedia content anyway (videos etc.). It's functional in NN4 so you can get all the (text) content. If you want more, go and get a decent browser.

[papabaer]

It would be very usefull if you could access the height of the parent (not the preceding!) div and say give me 90% of this value.

body {
margin:0;
padding:0;
height:100%;
background:#ffc;
color:#000;
}

div.left {
left:0;
top:0;
width:200px;
height:60%;
background:#fff;
color#000;
border:1px solid #c00;
}

div.right {
right:0;
top:0;
width:200px;
height:90%;
background:#fff;
color:#000;
border:1px solid #009;
}

/* just something to play around with */

[deadb0y]

Well all those replys make me feel less like an outsider. I currently subcontract to a small company, they produce "professional" web sites for all kinds of companys. They laugh at my ideas when it comes to validation of both html401 and xhtml. Trying to make them understand that new standards need to be stuck to is hard.

I quite enjoy the challenge of taking one of there pretty brochure sites built with dw and converting it to xhtml.

By the way papabaer im still a bit stuck in the table layout rut ;( I have tried other ways but just cant seem to get the effect i like.

matthias the center problem is easy to over come, even in strict with a .center {text-align: center;} class !

Anyways i like using xhtml and will continue to use it until somthing new comes along. I will also continue to run rings round these so called web designers i deal with every day that give real webmasters a bad name.

A prime example of their fine work.
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BTW: I added doctype and charset !

[edited by: tedster at 12:20 pm (utc) on July 31, 2002]

[SmallTime]

deadboy, you can produce clean, validating xhtml with DreamweaverMX, if one so desires. There are some excellent discussion of css problems and solutions here, and most of the time you would be hard pressed to know who was a web designer, who a coder.