mozilla 1.0 release ?

[PsychoTekk]

have i been sunbathing too long today?
what is it about the mozilla 1.0 release? i thought
the final version should come in fall?
and i just get 404s?

[littleman]

I good percentage of AOL users don't even know what IE is. All the aol users I've ever known never venture outside of the aol interface.

[cyril kearney]

littleman,
I agree that AOL users tend to be very AOL-centric but many AOL users also use the Internet at work and this tends to be mostly an IE world.

AOL is not looking at Mozilla 1.0 though. They are looking at a browser from their Netscape division called Netscape v7.0. Both of these products are from a common base but are being developed independently, I believe.

[papabaer]

The reality is... Mozilla is here and it is an excellent browser! NS7 WILL do what v.6 could not: capture significant marketshare. Opera, just keeps getting better and better, feature-wise, it is unbeatable. It also offers the highest level of user customization and control settings of ANY browser.

IE will continue to lose marketshare. The repeated discoveries of security weaknesses (and breaches!) combined with IE's "low-man on the pole" CSS/Web Standard support, will work against it.

IE6 is already getting a little "long in the tooth..." I would not be surprised to hear of an IE 6.5 or 7.0 beta before too much longer. M$ simply HAS to respond to the features and compliance offered by Opera, Mozilla/Netscape. They have no choice.

[feeder]

I'm finding Mozilla noticably faster than i.e 6
on XP

Anyone else?

[pat_s]

Since I've been using Mozilla it's come as quite a shock to me that so many big sites are designed to be usable only in IE. Sometimes it's the very things I'd really rather not use IE for, too, such as taxes and online banking. I hope that changes, and soon.

[cyril kearney]

Browsers are mature products. Most people are no longer experimenting to find the one that works the best. Companies that have to support the installed browers have long ago standardized on IE. IE is FREE. No one is having any rendering problems with IE.

Most of the browers installed by developers are IE with other browers only installed for checking compatibility.

Now why should I believe that people are going to pay money to get something that does the same thing as the free IE?

Netscape's browser is free too. Only AOL has the user base to push another browser, but AOL is in financial trouble. The AOL/Time Warner merger has already led to the biggest write off in history (52 Billion Dollars).

How would AOL gain by changing its browser to NS 7? (I mean beyond the law suit to get damages from Microsoft.) Isn't this just positioning in support of this suit?

A change of browsers from one free browser to another free browser that has no significant advantages for the average user, is fraught with disaster. At the end of the change over 33 million users will be no better off than before. But how many of these users will have problems? How many will leave? How much will it cost to mend the fences caused for this no-adantage-to-the-user move?

[littleman]

The Mozilla team really show what is possible with an open source project. I can't believe the rendering speed. Mozilla 1.0 has to be the fastest rendering (not loading) graphical browser ever put together.

[pat_s]

AOL owns Netscape. It doesn't own IE. It's fighting with Microsoft. What happens depends on what happens between those companies. No harm will come to AOL customers from use of the new and excellent Netscape.

[msr986]

>At the end of the change over 33 million users will be no better off than before

Sounds like they are just pawns.

[seth_wilde]

"How would AOL gain by changing its browser to NS 7?"

With NS/Mozilla they have access to the source code... which equals complete flexability..

Also if M$ does implement smart tags in future versions of IE... AOL won't be forced to hijack traffic from there own properties to send to M$ properties

(besides M$ stopped adding the shorcut to AOL in windows... I think AOL would be foolish not to do the same to M$)

"At the end of the change over 33 million users will be no better off than before"

They'll probably end up with much better security

[cyril kearney]

pat_s,
I agree with your idea that no harm would come from people moving to NS from IE. More importantly there is no benefit either.

IE is standards compliant and NS, Mozilla and Opera are doing a good job of catch up. I think Mozilla is the best of the three, NS 7 beta has some real rendering problems withy tables that are so gross that they are almost 100% sure to be fixed before the v7 goes live. Opera, does not yet fully support the w3c DOM but they will get there.

But at the end of the day, all they have done is caught up.

[PsychoTekk]

ie for example has no sourcecode syntax highlighting, one can't resume
downloads which is very annoying when the connection isn't stable, and when
saving a whole page just the actual file is saved (mozilla and netscape append
dynamically generated code from javascript which is great, though i think it
would be best if one had both posibilities)
for 'normal' browsing i use opera because i like the easy tab handling
but i think there is still much to improve about opera
then some sites force me to use msie because the code is optimized for it,
latest example is the online banking site, i clicked on a link and for some
reason got either the linked page associated to the link above or the link
below in opera, in msie everything worked as usual

btw, i noticed that after msie now also mozilla and netscape
implemented oncontextmenu="return false;" which is not w3c valid...
i thought mozilla would care more about the w3c standarts?

[papabaer]

Face Off : A Browser Feature Chart
[searchengineworld.com...]

Here are some links to mull over regarding WAI compliance.

[w3.org...]

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