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10:37 pm on Jun 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Which browsers do you check your design in these days?

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11:22 pm on June 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Opera 8.5, Opera 9, Firefox 1.5, IE6, IE7 (beta 2), and - occasionally - Safari. I also get a screenreader check, from time to time.
11:28 pm on June 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

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The latest Firefox (most people upgrade automatically), IE of course.
I don't have complicated pages with complex rendering issues, nor the time to do the others. -Larry
3:28 am on June 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Just the latest IE and the latest Firefox.

Mac Safari seems to be making a resurgence too.

4:03 am on June 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Wow that is so much less to check than just a year ago.

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8:33 am on June 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

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PC: IE5.5, 6.0, Fx1.0, 1.5, NS7.0, 7.1, 7.2, Opera 8.5, 9.0

Mac: Safari1.0, 1.3, 2.0, Fx1.0, 1.5, NS7.0, 7.1, Opera 8.5, 9.0

1:46 am on July 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Netscape 4 (- only joking!)

In addition to some of the above, I do test on IE5.0 (since I have it on my old machine) - although it is a bit 'strange' sometimes!

I do turn the styles off in Firefox to make sure it's still readable, navigable and things are in the correct order.

9:45 am on July 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Good point penders, disabling styles is also very important in checking that your anderlying HTML is usable and readable without them.
7:26 am on July 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Since you ask what we DO do, I'm probably naughty for answering what I'd like to do, BUT...

I feel like I need to check Mosaic 1.0, Lynx text browser, and some cell-phone/PDA browsers.

Haven't done it yet at all. Has anyone else?

7:51 am on July 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Using Opera, I switch into "small screen" mode. This gives a look at the way smart phones using the Opera Browser will render the page.
8:21 am on July 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

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These days only:

Opera 8.54, FF 1.5, IE 6

I used to check in Netscape and other versions of the above, but after a re-install I couldn`t be bothered to install them again.

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9:06 am on July 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

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The Mosaic / Lynx test theory is just to make sure your site is functional no matter what. Just wondering if it is all that important. Or is it just one of those useless things people do to show off how bright they are? Like running Mac OS on Intel?
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Your site should be usable without styles though, if only for SEO reasons. Think about how Googlebot reads your page - does it read the styles? Making your page work without styles is by no means 'useless'. Having said that, the Mosaic test probably isn't worthwhile as it's severely out of date when it comes to HTML; at least Lynx is actively maintained.
12:32 pm on July 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I check:

IE 5.0, IE 5.5, IE 6, Firefox 1.0.4, Firefox (last version), Opera (last version), Safari (last version)

3:05 pm on July 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Is anyone able to get multiple copies of IE and/or Firefox installed on their system?

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5:12 pm on July 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Is anyone able to get multiple copies of IE and/or Firefox installed on their system?

Going a little off topic I think, but hey.... I've not tried myself, but I understand you can simply install Firefox in different directories. IE, however, is difficult (although not impossible) as it likes to "take over".

Peter-Paul Koch has written a page that goes into detail about installing different versions of IE...
[quirksmode.org...]

9:18 pm on July 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

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There also is a library thread about how to install multiple versions of IE on your PC [webmasterworld.com].

[added]Or use something like VMWare to create virtual machines, each with their own version of IE[/added]

10:41 pm on July 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I'm using IE 6, IE 7 beta 3, latest Firefox, and Lynx. IE 7 doesn't like the css on my site. Lynx is blind to javascript which led to the whole redesign of the site.
3:45 am on July 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Firefox, IE, and Opera. I would code for Macs but I don't have a mac, and I wouldn't say my website was important enough to buy one for.

I do code for Macs client sites however.

2:44 pm on July 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Does anyone have statistics on what users are typically browsing with these days, and in what proportions?

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3:24 pm on July 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Does anyone have statistics on what users are typically browsing with these days, and in what proportions?

Generally my statistics are showing that the majority of the people hitting my site are IE6 on windows xp with a display setting of 1024x768 with java enabled running flash 8.0 on highspeed internet
3:48 pm on July 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

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ie5.5, ie6, firefox (latest), safari

I don't bother with Opera yet, as in a work environment, it's browser share isn't worth spending time (and therefore money) to support.

Unfortunately, ie5.5 is still persistent enough to have to bother with.

Realistically, the stats I'm seeing, from 10000 visits on one site :-

ie6.0 - 88.65%
Firefox 1.5 - 4.17%
Firefox 1.0 - 1.32%
ie5.0 - 1.20%
Safari 41 - 1.18%
Safari 31 - 1.03%
Microsoft Internet Explorer 5.5 - 0.96%
Microsoft Internet Explorer 7.0 - 0.71%
Opera 8.x - 0.15%
Opera 9.x - 0.12%
Mozilla 1.7 - 0.12%
Netscape 6.0 - 0.10%
Mozilla - 0.07%
Safari 85 - 0.07%
Safari 12 - 0.02%
Firefox 0.1 - 0.02%
Netscape 7.0 - 0.02%
Netscape 4.6 - 0.02%
Safari 10 - 0.02%
Opera 7.x - 0.02%

7:01 pm on July 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Firefox latest and IE 6. Call me lazy.
12:30 am on July 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

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bumpaw: you're lazy :)

Fwiw today we had the stats back from a big UK council site, and after analysis we found that we don't support ~1.1% of the clients that hit their site. They comprised (from memory)

IE5.0/win: 0.7%
Netscape 4: 0.2%
Opera 8&9: 0.1%;
IE5.2/mac: 0.1%;

Clients we do support that seem to be no longer used were Netscape 7.0 and 7.1.

1:37 am on July 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Netscape 4!? More than Opera8&9!? Is it possible that the N4s are actually robots with (possibly)fake User Agents?
2:46 am on July 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Doubt it - nearly all robots id as IE6 if they don't have their own ID these days. This is a council site so the spectrum of users is going to be apretty wide section of the public (not just tech-savvy ones) and I expect that there's still a few stragglers who haven't upgraded their PCs for 8 years. If they can still write documents and occasionally email their council or check when to put their bins out then why upgrade? Well, of course you and I know why to upgrade, but that's a different story.

As for Opera, they just haven't caught the public consciousness. Even Firefox is only averaging around 6-7% on this site.

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Yeah, Opera really hasn't made an impact, not that I'm too concerned.

They should go Open Source and change the name ;)
Every so often, I install it, use it for 10 minutes and decide it's not for me. I can't really say why, but I find it ugly. heh. I think it's just the name, as I hate Opera music!

Firefox use continues to spread, due to marketing and word of mouth - I'm suprised it's reached 6% - if the momentum is kept, they could gain 10% of the market.

I admit, as a developer, I'm dreading ie7 and the invevitable quirks that will be introduced, but the simple fact is, in a few years from now, it will be the dominant browser.

3:36 pm on July 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

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We've recently had updated stats from one of our bigger clients which has led to us dropping IE5/mac and NS/7.0+7.1 from our support list. In exchange, we're adding Opera 9.
4:44 am on July 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Right now FF, Opera and of course IE. But I think I am going to permanently switch to using FF but always keep IE because i know my clients use IE.
11:46 pm on July 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Which browser do you use to test your web pages?

Every browser you can find.

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