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lgn1

2:15 am on Nov 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I have posted a couple posts to the Google News forum in the past couple of days, and both times they have gone to administrative review, and just simply disappeared.

I have followed all the posting guidelines and have read the charter. In fact I am not a new user, but a long standing member, that started as a new name due to a technical glitch. I never had a problem in the past with new postings to Google News.

If their is a reason for rejecting a new thread in the Google News forum, the author's would like to know about it. Sending a sticky mail, would be the polite thing to do.

Nermin

2:29 am on Nov 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

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agree with you on that lgn1
happened to me couple of days ago

i have posted "same" question again (1 minute ago) so i am hoping it will get in :)

Sinner_G

8:26 am on Nov 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Ign1, I think the mods are having lots of work right now because of the Google update, so they might not be able to sticky every time they remove a post/thread.

Give them a break, they are doing a very good job.

lgn1

1:28 pm on Nov 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

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It sounds like they are overworked. Somebody said that webmasterworld has gained thousands of new members since the florida update. I hope they stay and contribute to the board, after we figure this florida algorithm out.

Nermin

5:23 pm on Nov 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

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i posted another one yesterday and it was removed :(
i have no problem with that but i need somebody to answer my question/problem :)

DaveAtIFG

6:16 pm on Nov 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I can't speak for the Google mods of course, but the Google forum charter [webmasterworld.com] may offer some insight as to why posts are rejected.

<added>Fixed the link, apologies<added>

[edited by: DaveAtIFG at 7:58 pm (utc) on Nov. 27, 2003]

Nermin

7:52 pm on Nov 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

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thanks DaveAtIFG

when i click on you charter i get this

status: Access Denied - please login first

not sure why it does this since i am logged in but anyway i found my problem in regards to google.com after i read florida update

thanks guys :)

runboy

8:31 pm on Nov 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I have a post that seems to be only showing when I log in. If I am not logged in it doesn't seem to be in the Google News forum.

[webmasterworld.com...]

Can everybody logged in see it or is it only me?

DaveAtIFG

8:54 pm on Nov 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Someone on staff has flagged it as "Members Only" for some reason. When I read it I thought, "It's not a great post, but it's not too bad either..." ;)

These types of questions are often taken by people as an invitation to drop links to their particular "magic high rank on Google" tool which may explain why it's members only.

runboy

9:19 pm on Nov 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

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"When I read it I thought, "It's not a great post, but it's not too bad either..." ;) "

I don't see why that should matter and I am surprised an admin is comming with a statement like that. Are you telling me that admins allow post depending on if they like the content or not?

If that is the case I am not going to bother posting here anymore.

Sinner_G

9:32 pm on Nov 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

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runboy, if you read Dave's post carefully, you will notice he says 'someone on staff', i.e. not him, flagged it as members only. So the flagging has nothing to do with his thoughts on it. As to what he thought, he may be an admin, but does that mean he is not allowed to state his opinion? I don't think so.

To answer your question, 'allowing' posts is not a matter of anybody liking the content or not. The fact that it passed pre-mod shows it was allowed. As to why it was set as members only, we can only guess unless the staff member who decided on that tells us.

DaveAtIFG

9:38 pm on Nov 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hey runboy, relax!

The winking smily was intend to convey I was teasing you. I WAS TEASING YOU! I'm meant no offense and our ONLY criteria for acceptable posting is clearly spelled out in our Terms of Service [webmasterworld.com].

I'm just a webmaster that has been a member here for a long time, relaxing on a holiday and trying to answer your question. Perhaps I'm a little too relaxed and casual today. I meant no harm.

Sincerely
Dave

Nermin

10:07 pm on Nov 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

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DaveAtIFG is public enemy of WebmasterWorld :)

runboy

10:13 pm on Nov 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Good to know

Stefan

12:39 am on Nov 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Google News is the most heavily moderated forum because of the chaos that develops during updates. It was all quite calm, orderly, and polite between Dominic/Esmeralda, and Florida.

I've been impressed by how lenient the mods and admins have been for the last couple of weeks. There have been many URI's, specific search terms, etc etc and most of it has stayed on the boards.

No one has any right to complain right now... since Florida happened, it's surprising that the WW servers haven't started smoking then gone up in flames. We should be grateful that the site is still alive.

runboy

5:52 am on Nov 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

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"No one has any right to complain right now... since Florida happened, it's surprising that the WW servers haven't started smoking then gone up in flames. We should be grateful that the site is still alive. "

At least somebody is getting more traffic/cash flow after the update :o)

troels nybo nielsen

4:45 pm on Nov 29, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Stefan, I totally agree with you. (I usually do.)

I would hate to be a moderator at Google News in times like the last couple of weeks. (No need for anybody to fear that eventuality. There's no chance that I'll ever be ;)).

runboy, WebmasterWorld surely has had lot of traffic lately, but I strongly doubt that significant amounts of money have followed that traffic.

Stefan

9:53 pm on Nov 29, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hey, respect, Troels.

Yeah, man, I don't imagine Brett is making bucket-loads of money off of the Florida madness... probably just winds up not getting enough sleep, along with the forum3 mods.

runboy

7:13 am on Nov 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

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No, I guess you guys are right. I am new here and actually hadn't noticed that this site is not plastered with ads (Except for the little thingie in the right hand corner) and seems to only pull its revenue from members.

That is nice.

On the other hand, I still don't believe they are suffering economically. A site like www.webmasterworld.com will make you wealthy and that is perfectly okay. I wish it was mine ;o)

Brett_Tabke

10:44 am on Nov 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

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We ran almost a hundred new submissions a day there during the peak of Florida. There is no way the membership could read all that or come to value it. There has to be some quality guidelines applied.

What we stay away from:

- blog entries. There were no less than 50 blog stories about Florida. I'd guess 49 of them wanted to be posted on WebmasterWorld and about 200 of their friends wanted them posted too.

We have more than enough OpEd threads about Google - we want facts - we want hard news.

- theories. Like the Blog posts, every hair brained theory was put forth. No, I don't think Florida was an attempt by Google to buy Altavista (yes, some one wanted that posted).

- I want my my pages back! Every person who lost an index page felt the need to leave a post about it. This does not help anyone.

- I've been had, I lost pages, my pr is gone, bots don't like me, and other asundry personal problems. No, the fact that GoogleBot hasn't walked up and knocked on your door in over 8 hours, is not cause for a post.

We try to stay away from peoples personal site problems in Google - we always have even before moderation. Do you really care that Billy Jo Jim Bob's phentermine site with 9 links and 3 pages deep was not included in Google? Nope, we don't. Most of these would be duplicates anyway.

- Duplicates. Atleast a third of the new submissions fall under duplicate topics. Many times, the exact same post will be at the very top of the forum list.

- Bad titles. We rarely dig into bad titles any more. Eith the poster (an alleged Webmaster) can take the time to make sure a title reflects the post or not.

Here are some in the last 48, that were not approved. You can spot the problem just from the title:


Google Thanksgiving Logo
Google Directory Updated.
My Site change urls - what do I do?
How do I move my site?
Google Thanksgiving Logo
The new Google filter.
My index page is missing.
Florida Observation?
Google Thanksgiving Logo
Florida Observation #2? Why is my index page gone.
What's going on?
Google Thanksgiving Logo
The filter messages.
Florida Observation #3? What happened to my back links.
My site was dropped - any ideas?
Google Thanksgiving Logo
What am I supposed to do now?
Data Centers don't match.
Any Ideas
Pigeon Rank.
My site has been destroyed by Florida.
"widget.com" not indexed.
How do I check page rank?
Can you help?
Google Acquires Sprinks
New ThanksGiving Logo

Sinner_G

7:24 am on Dec 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Oh bugger, I missed the Thanksgiving logo! ;)