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Fair use of WebmasterWorld?

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photon

6:30 pm on Jun 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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From item #23 in the TOS:

You will not copy and retransmit any information out of these forums without first getting the permission of the original author of the message and a WebmasterWorld.com administrator.

I'm putting together a reference section on my own web site to help me organize all of the stuff I'm learning from WebmasterWorld and other sources. I'd like to make it avaiable to anyone else who may stumble upon it (note: this is not a money-making venture). That way not only will I have code snippets in one place, but I can also see them in action.

I realize that I need to get the permission of the author of the post, and I plan to do that before posting anything to a publicly accesible site.

My question is do I need to get the permission of "a WebmasterWorld.com administrator" for each individual post, or is there a type of "blanket" permission that could be granted? Also, who qualifies as "a WebmasterWorld.com administrator" who could give me permission to do this?

I've learned a lot from this community (and others), and would like to be able to share that with others--all with proper attribution of course.

<edit>Moved one sentence for context</edit>

[edited by: photon at 6:37 pm (utc) on June 25, 2003]

korkus2000

6:33 pm on Jun 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>>Also, who qualifies as "a WebmasterWorld.com administrator" who could give me permission to do this?

Brett_Tabke

penfold25

7:25 pm on Jun 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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In my opinion , i really have learn't alot from the people here at webmasterworld, but putting references on your own web site i believe is wrong, plus information is always being updated so it might be a waste of your time.

If you really want to put all the information you have learnt from here, keep it non commercial is on word or some other offline documents.

martinibuster

7:32 pm on Jun 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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The information is already available at a publicly available web site: here at WebmasterWorld.

As it says at the bottom of every WW page:

Member comments are owned by the poster.
With few exceptions, I would never authorize anyone to re-post my information.

I would be very upset to see any of my comments on someone elses web site, apart from WebmasterWorld.

I think this plan is misguided, redundant, intrusive, and wholly unneccessary.

EliteWeb

7:38 pm on Jun 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Differnt sites reach differnt markets, not everyone knows about WebmasterWorld, and it doesn't always show up at the top of the search engines for those fun words. I see how a information site that reaches outside of just webmasterworld could benifit from using snipits then having links to the source.

A japanese co. who translates my website into japanese uses a paragraph from my document on their site to get people into it then links to my source url and their translation of it. I have no issues with that, but this place is differnt and theres differnt circumstances. :)

penfold25

3:09 am on Jun 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I just realised i wrote i haven't learned alot instead of have.
Thats a mistake, thats for sure
The best SE in the world :)

deejay

3:19 am on Jun 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I'm afraid I have to second martinibuster on this one.

Store on your own machine for your own use, or refer people straight here for education of the masses.

fathom

3:40 am on Jun 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Obviously Brett's call for the general overall consideration.

IMHO and from backlink checks on my personal posts this happens quite a bit (noting my discussion with Brett) and without anyone permission what-so-ever.

A link is a link > if snippets of my comments and linked to the full "deeplinked" discussion (that few would quickly find on their own -- I certainly don't have a problem, as long as WebmasterWorld doesn't.

If however the original reference isn't quoted and linked... then agree, the comments are not yours to post.

[edited by: fathom at 3:45 am (utc) on June 26, 2003]

Brett_Tabke

3:41 am on Jun 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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With few exceptions, I would never authorize anyone to re-post my information.

I would be very upset to see any of my comments on someone elses web site, apart from WebmasterWorld.

Ditto.

Yes, you need to get permission from each poster and WebmasterWorld. I almost agree all the time as it is up to the poster. Occasionally, such-as-compilation blogs, I have said no.

photon

1:42 pm on Jun 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Just to clarify what I my intentions are:

I would use code snippets, not general comments, that were posted on the forums (I'm thinking primarily from the CSS forum, which could be used to demonstrate the effects of various layouts, etc.). Any explanations of those snippets, if used, would be attibuted to the the person who originally posted it as well as to WebmasterWorld, with a link to the original post. I'd want to give credit where credit is due.

To put everyone's mind at ease, and as I stated originally, nothing will be used unless permission is received both from the individual poster and WebmasterWorld. If you've expressed that you don't want your comments to be used, I will respect that.

Thanks for your feedback.

vincevincevince

10:51 pm on Jun 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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if you've understood and learnt from the snippets (as you state), then write new snippets for your site - the things you've learnt will mean new snippet writing will be easy.

photon

1:49 pm on Jun 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

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vincevincevince--

That is likely the route I will take. I just wanted to be able to give credit to the person(s) who helped me reach that understanding.

vincevincevince

7:13 pm on Jun 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

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am not sure how the TOS would cover you following an article which is your own work about widget coding saying:

"i'd like to acknowledge martinibuster's excellent posts at webmasterworld.com which helped me learn about widget coding."

i suspect this would be ok, but i'm certainly not anyone to say if it would be or not.

eaden

6:29 pm on Jun 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Above all, the posting here are covered by copyright.

Fair use is a defence for copyright infingement, not a right. Quoting an excerpt of a work, for news reporting, comment or criticism is a common use of "fair use" and I don't see why it wouldn't apply here. But IANAL :)

Brett_Tabke

7:51 pm on Jun 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Anyone know the case of the paper that was running a 1/2 synopisis of all AP (could have been knightrider/reuters) stories in the 70's? The court ruled that one time was fair use, but doing it repeatidly on all of the content was not.

Word for the legal deptartment is that fair use of WebmasterWorld would be a few quotes here or there. Doing it repeatidly is a copyright violation and will be met with a c&d. We protect our members contributions such that they will not be misused or misrepresented on some other site.

richardb

5:56 am on Jul 2, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Err “c&d” Brett?

Do you want me to forward copies of most industry (SEO/site development) emails that come though? Most are a rehash of WW content. Usually, within 24 – 36 hours after info has been posted on the forums.

Rich

killroy

10:41 pm on Jul 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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My advice, write your own, and then say "for more info and questions visit the excellent css forum on webmasterworld.com <link>"

Also, summarizing the point of a thread and then linking to a thread shouldn't be a problem as you aren't quoting anything and not claiming any credit.

Just make sure folks won't see your site in google when they're searching for their own posts ;)

SN