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8:18 am on May 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I am sorry to say but each Google Update seems to get worse and worse, and I am not talking about the algo but the Google News threads, the serious, the not so serious, the update has started etc. etc. threads that go on.

They become very long with people posting x has changed and then oh no it hasn't etc.

My suggestion is to put a new section in the Google Forum which just covers the updates and does not count towards users total posts (just like FOO).

That way all update discussion can go on in one forum, and people who wish to discuss other things can do so in peace.

EDIT IN

The title of the thread should read - New Forum Suggestion not No Forum Suggestion!

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I'll second that one. I suspect, however, that the main Google forum would still be flooded, but something has to be tried, surely?

Furthermore, if, as poster after poster is suggesting, and as postulated by Brett, the monthly update may be headed for the attic - we'll end up with a rolling index watch. So, as a title for such a forum, howabout 'Google index watch' or 'Datacentre status' - something like that?

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Thirded.

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Completely agree the Google update threads are becoming very silly, Iíve given up looking at them and will just leave it till WWW updates then try to work out whatís happening rather than all this whining about fi si

Iím surprised GG even bothers looking at them anymore, how many time has he repeated himself

8:55 am on May 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I'm 100% for something like this - I don't even read the things - I still don't understand how anyone can.
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Yes, as a relative beginner it is getting harder to find real information amongst all the trash. I mean, it's got silly this time. Thousands of posts about nothing.

If we have a rolling update, I can imagine some people posting on a daily basis with their new rankings and sob stories and theories explaining the "algo". There needs to be a place for all that.

A filter could be set to trap any post containing the word "update" or (worse) rubbish like "sj", "fi". If people try to post in the "Google News" section (largely devoid of news these days), it is automatically sent to the Update forum.

By the way, No change on www here in Thailand :)
(Sorry, it just slipped out)

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I don't know if this will count but

1 vote in favor!

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>>Google update threads are becoming very silly, Iíve given up looking at them and will just leave it till WWW updates then try to work out whatís happening

This is a very good point in the thread title.

Posts do not count in Foo and Community, so why not exclude them in the Google updates - the technology is in place.

One philosophical point is that, if most of those of us posting here have given up on the upadate thread, then who are the hundreds of posters that appear to post there?

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Don't know who writes in those threads, as I also don't read them. And post count is not a big matter either, so I don't really see the point in a new forum.

Just my 2 p
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I agree that the posts shouldnt count towards the update threads, it would be nice if they did have their own forum as well tidy the place up abit.
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I fourth, er, fifth, er sixth (whatever) the suggestion! :)

Also, could the update threads be removed from recent posts after a day or so? If they were in a seperate forum, people could still find them - and lets face it, any update threads arenīt likely to be orphaned, so most posts would be answered.

Scott

PS - how about giving the update threads a -1 post value..... ;)

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Im in favour... eye
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The title Google News looks very attractive, but a little ambiguous. I mean its
clandestine affair with news.google.com and infidelity to forum's highest ideals.

How about a legal divorce and the following property division:

  • To Her:
    Google Monitor (or Watch).
    Monthly update, daily refresh, spider visits, getting in/dropping from index, all unusual about Goo.

  • To Him:
    Google Proficient (or Professional, or Maestro, or Virtuoso).
    Goo friendly webmastering: page content and site/links structure.
    Pagerank, SERP, algo, theory.
  • 2:50 pm on May 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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    Seventhed!
    3:17 pm on May 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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    yup, that's a good idea!
    3:26 pm on May 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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    Just need to hear from the guy that counts now, Brett :)
    4:09 pm on May 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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    I fully agree Google update threads are a major source of unwanted noise in the "Google News" forum. Especially since some members are to lazy to read about the official update thread and start their own. Google mods are busy splicing them together 24/7 and explain why in sticky mail. Google update threads are indeed a big pain for the board, but such threads are not the only problem. We have 3 different categories of posts that also contribute to raise the noise to unbearable levels :

    The Spam reports questions or finger pointing.

    Where to report spam?
    Is this spam?
    Should I report this spam?
    Does Google do anything about spam reports?
    I reported that spam a month ago and it's still there!
    Hey GoogleGuy here is more spam, do something, now!

    Are totally unconstructive and wont make anyone do a better job or get a better rank. Such topics go south as soon they are posted and should not be allowed anywhere on the board. Such posts should be nuked on the spot, no questions asked. A generic message pointing to the Google News charter [webmasterworld.com] should be sent to authors of such posts. And repeat offenders should have theyr posting privileges suspended.

    The repetitive questions.

    What is Page Rank?
    How do I know my page Rank?
    When/where should I submit to google?
    Is ODP better than Yahoo for my Page Rank?
    My new site was there for a few days and then dissapeared!
    How do I get in Google?
    What is www2 and www3?

    We see such posts everyday. The Google News forum became so noisy, that new members can't find previous posts about the topic. After a brief answer, they should be encouraged to use the library [webmasterworld.com] and use the site search [webmasterworld.com] feature to do some digging on their own, instead of beeing hand fed.

    The off topic posts.

    Windows freezes!
    Did anyone tried program XYZ for email, is it any good?
    Sweet GoogleBot eat 10 of my pages today!
    What is Robots.txt?
    Where do I get my log file?

    Such posts are generaly from new members who still think WebmasterWorld is Google News. They need to get out more.

    I think some 'Google Update' forum is a good idea. I also strongly believe we need a "New to Google" forum, where Google update discussions could be held. Read only access to Google News should be granted to all, but posting into it would require to pass some basic test.

    I think we could turn the WebmasterWorld Google Knowledgebase V2 [webmasterworld.com] into a form...

    Regular members are flocking away from the 'Google News' forum because of the noise. Something must be done.

    4:19 pm on May 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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    nice posting mac, perhaps we should direct people towards it
    4:24 pm on May 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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    Nice post, Macguru.

    How about an "is your thead really neccessary?" message, tailored to the appropriate forum, whenever some hits "post new thread"?

    That could both stem some of the needlessly recycling themes, and redirect the new poster to the info they want now rather than them having to wait for the first reply.

    Not going to solve every problem, but every litle helps.

    4:28 pm on May 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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    All hail Mac, bringer of truth!

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    4:37 pm on May 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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    With Google messing with their servers all month long I can only see the update threads getting worse. It used to be that they would die out after a few days, now it seems endless.

    I agree that something like this is needed, seems that a lot of good posts get buried mighty fast and unnoticed these days.

    4:40 pm on May 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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    Very well said Mac, I would have to agree on all points.

    Without some type of "new to google" forum it would be very unfair for new members to get repetetive questions disallowed, they dont know how everything works yet. (we were all there :))

    no quarter on spam topics sits well with me too.

    4:50 pm on May 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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    Yes, someone said recently in an off board conversation that "Some of this stuff is not new to the newbies, just to us veterans". (or somthing very similar).

    Our Community Has a 2nd Generation

    It's true, we're now 4yrs or more old and we have a split, a generation gap if you like.

    So, what do we want to do about it?

    • Make WebmasterWorld an exclusive club for a decreasing user base?
    • Grow with the Community. Develop forums to meet our users needs?

    Seems to be a no brainer to me...

    Nick

    6:10 pm on May 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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    >>The Spam reports questions or finger pointing.
    Such topics go south as soon they are posted and should not be allowed anywhere on the board. Such posts should be nuked on the spot, no questions asked.

    Posts such as these demonstrate a lack of professionalism. I find it difficult to distinguish between those that post these messages with the intent of capturing someone's attention and those that they are attempting to expose.

    Glad to see that I'm not alone on this subject.

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    6:25 pm on May 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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    >>They need to get out more.

    I have not ventured out into the other realms of WebmasterWorld in the last 3 or 4 months. Every ounce of my free time is consumed trying to keep forum3 running proprerly.

    I'm pretty confident that we will see some changes to the structure of the Google forum in the near future.

    I can also promise you that you will be seeing a much more aggressive approach from the Mod/Admin crew. If it's off-topic, it will be removed. If it's a duplication of an existing thread, it will be spliced, locked and/or removed. If it's just plain noise, it will be removed.

    But we can't do it alone. We need some of our veteran members to step up and return to forum 3. We can't restore the quality without first restoring those responsible for the quality.

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    I can also promise you that you will be seeing a much more aggressive approach from the Mod/Admin crew. If it's off-topic, it will be removed. If it's a duplication of an existing thread, it will be spliced, locked and/or removed. If it's just plain noise, it will be removed.

    Oh there is a god!

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    I second MacGuru's suggestion of a "New to Google" forrum and write access to Google News only after a test (in the likes of Zeal ) . The test need not be complicated just simple questions like what is www3/www2 that sort of things.

    And the posts in the new forrum should not contribute to post count (Post count used to be a useful tool in judging member knowledge , but no longer it is! )

    I see most of the veterans now avoiding forrum3 and Brett has do something about it NOW!

    Nick , i believe there is third generation in WW , you guys are Gen #1 , guys like me Gen #2 and all those Update/Is it Spam thread starters Gen #3

    <edited to add>
    There should also be a "Google Monitor" Forrum for the update threads
    </edited to add>

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    Frankly who wants to score all the tests.

    Make it so no posts in any Google forum count, or at least those in a New to Google and/or Google Update forum do not count.

    Next, require 200 or 300 posts before you can post to the Google News forum.

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    Even with the constant work by the mods, sometimes I pop in here and there are 3 or 4 active update, whatís wrong, lets analyze threads that are each several pages long.
    Then you hit a summery gem and the next day itís 7 pages long with the same posts as all the others.
    Iím for moving it or renaming it or taxing it.
    8:25 pm on May 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

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    Next, require 200 or 300 posts before you can post to the Google News forum.

    Hmm... that might promote MORE noise as users try to build posts.

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