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Has LS Grandfathered Sites In?

         

alex_cross

7:03 pm on Apr 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Is LookSmart not charging per click on sites that were submitted by a certain date and if so, does anyone know the date?

Next, if a site is grandfathered in and I wishto update it, does that mean I now have to pay per click?

Lastly, LookSmart said that I can use any title that I want under their new listing, but if my logo and site title reads "Blue Widgets", but I want my LookSmart title to read "Black, Blue, and Red Discount Widgets", does this mean they will accomodate my non-logoed title?

nell

9:13 pm on Apr 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

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The only site we have remaining is one that Looksmart picked up and included for free nearly 2 years ago. Up to now it was in the graveyard, now ranks #7 in keyword.
I'm afraid to even click on it for fear it will disappear.

alex_cross

9:41 pm on Apr 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

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So no one knows for sure?

Laisha

2:27 am on Apr 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Welcome, alex_cross!

Is LookSmart not charging per click on sites that were submitted by a certain date and if so, does anyone know the date?

We have numerous listings from the first part of 2000 which are being "upgraded" automatically, meaning they are not grandfathered.

Whether or not the sites which were listed pre-PFI are to be "grandfathered" in is not clear to me.

skibum

2:35 am on Apr 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

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The site for our company has been in there for ages and we have not yet gotten anything about it. It is a commercail site and wsa listed in Zeal before the acquisition. t gets NO trafic but it seems for now to be grandfathered in..

alex_cross

2:57 am on Apr 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

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"Kiss the Girls"

Some of my listings have not been touched. If they would Grandfather in the sites already listed, .15 a click is not bad, especially for terms like Data Recovery.

chiyo

4:13 am on Apr 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I think they have grandfathered sites that were listed before they started charging for anything.

We have never paid LS at all. And our listings are still there and in MSN. Remember that LS prided itself on being run by "librarians" and reviewing sites. Most, if not almost all sites included before payment came into it were included becuase "A librarian reviewed it and throught it useful for inclusion" - and they were usually informational rather than commercial sites.

If I am correct, this group of sites could therefore be characterised as more non-commercial and informational, but maybe also dated, if the domain is no longer worked on, sold, or has changed focus.

(Maybe i am mixing up LS and Northern Light on this "librarian" spin. If so, please feel free to contradict!)

alex_cross

1:10 pm on Apr 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

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New to me.

msr986

4:57 pm on Apr 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I have one site listed since before PPI. It is still there. At least for now, older sites that were in the directory since before L$ started charging are still there.

If they remove ALL the sites that haven't paid, their SERP's would look pretty thin.

-Marty

okedokeseo

12:12 am on Apr 28, 2002 (gmt 0)



LookSmart is not tracking down people who's sites were never pay-listed and asking them to pay - yet. I have several sites listed in LookSmart that were listed before LookSmart began to charge - added by LookSmart editors, not through submission.

littleman

2:11 am on Apr 28, 2002 (gmt 0)



I am sure what ever is grandfatherred is temporary. They will dump them to make room for the ppc listings as they come (if they come).

chiyo

3:39 am on Apr 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Yes i am sure littleman is right.

They need the pre-pay listings to beef up the size (and maybe non-commercial content) of their database, as paid customers who are not "opting in" for PPC desert ship. These were added so long ago, and LS dont have the extent of contact details for them so they are a poor candidate for upgrading. Those who have paid to be in the database however immediately flag themselves as being willing to pay, and are GOOD candidates for upgrading.

As their database grows, they wont need these pre-paid listings so much, and will drop some or all of them, though some good non-commercial sites may still look good amongst all the commercial websites that by the nature of what they are selling can afford at least 15c per click.

LS then would be a totally commercial index, competing head on with Overture, and other smaller PPC's, and later on with yahoo I would guess. Its a crowded marketplace, with a limit to the number of customers, as people using search engines are not always looking to buy something. These would prefer Google which provides a great mix of non-commercially ranked SERPS with commercials as abonus (and clearly marked) should you wish to buy. LS's problem is that at the moment they have too much in the one basket (MSN). Overtures partners are more extensive.

okedokeseo

8:17 pm on Apr 28, 2002 (gmt 0)



Let's lay some odds. First, I'd bet my dog that LookSmart will be a pay-per-placement search engine at some time in the future (right now they are a pay-per-click but not a pure pay-per-placement because you can't buy a specific ranking in their normal system).

My guess, and it's totally a guess, is that they will be forced to a pay-per-placement system like Overture and Ah-Ha within 4 months. I'll put it at October 1st - to get the holiday traffic money.

skibum

8:22 pm on Apr 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Due to Overture's legal team, L$ might have to dance around the PPC/PFP with great care. With spats between Overture/FindWhat and Overture/AdWords, L$ might be stepping into a mine field if the Overture legal team decide they stepped to close to the edge - wherever that may be.

mad_wax

9:02 pm on Apr 29, 2002 (gmt 0)

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hmm.

several of my clients are still showing up in the database, even though I recieved an e-mail from looksmart saying my "clicks" had been expended.

I dont understand how this is working. From what it looks like, all the sites we paid for previously are still in the search results and in the database, yet my clicks are "expired"

anyone care to elaborate??

mw

TomWaits

5:21 pm on May 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I think they have grandfathered sites that were listed before they started charging for anything.

We have Zeal listings, and listings that were added by LookSmart editors eons ago, for free, that we haven't heard boo about.

So I think the grandfathering thing is true for now.

namniboose

9:39 pm on May 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

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My site was in for a while after my 'free' clicks expired but now it has gone.

I must say, it probably would be worth $45/month for 300 clicks (suggested amount, which is about right) but because of the outrageous way they have done this, I just can't bring myself to go for it.