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Have they been penalised, as I was thinking about buying a listing with them but won't bother if they are in trouble or about to cease trading.
We got some traffic from them over a year but never into double figures each month.
The thing with sites such as these is once the promotion stops and the ideas stop flowing, there's nothing more to shout about, and the fanfare moves on elsewhere.
Now whether this is about people's boredom thresholds, or lack of any new developments with these sites, who knows exactly and is anyone's guess. Maybe it's to do with both, but the fact remains - if there is nothing new and exciting around, then of course the interest goes elsewhere.
Looks like it's not so easy to 'make it' after all...... Many have had a rough ride:
Mug o Milk
BlueFind
J search
Arndale
EveryDay
I'm not making this up, this is fact and truth. Once the interest is gone, it's very difficult to reignite that, websites eventually stop making money and go down. If there's no cash flow there is NO business.
Oh well, back to my link exchanges, that surge has got to happen soon. Here's hoping.
It's a dupe content thing with Abrexa. Abrexa still has PR.
...the enevitable always happens once the effects of whatever campaign dies down. People move on when the noise stops.
Afaik, there was no noise or campaign involved with Toxic Lemon. Not sure what you're alluding to. Nothing inevitable there. Nothing dubious, only a plain jane dupe content issue.
[edited by: martinibuster at 10:42 pm (utc) on Nov. 3, 2005]
I felt Toxic Lemon could have been something on it's own maybe is all
Event_King
it was something on it's own at it's peak, it was ranking in the top 3 for virtually every keyword you could thing of
There was a thread about toxiclemon on webmasterworld nearly 2 years ago
[webmasterworld.com...]
when it was hand removed from google and then reinstated 48 hours later, it was one of the earlier directory sites using 10's of 1,000's of keyword stuffed pages which drove a massive amount of traffic and did in fact contribute a large % of earning's via PPC clicks, I had heard it was in excess of 10 million searches a month which 2 years ago was a massive amount for a small directory/search engine.
After the hand removal it never really recovered and lost a massive amount of pages indexed but for some reason was never hand removed again it just did not rank for anything and its still around to this day all be it a victim of it's own success
I met the guy that was responsible for it at one of the conferences (nice chap) and he described the thought process behind TL which these days would be described as a scraper.
Ska
I stand corrected ;oP
Ska
"includes some modified data from the Open Directory Project"
Maybe not scraped but certainly not original ;oP
Ska
Now why would one of the guys responsible for Toxic Lemon SEO tactics, tell anyone at a conference what they were upto, and run the risk of those tactics being quoted/talked about on the worlds biggest forum -that sounds suicidal and a bit mad.
Toxic Lemon's management must have loved that. Oh well, the benefits office is down the road he.
Now why would one of the guys responsible for Toxic Lemon SEO tactics, tell anyone at a conference what they were upto, and run the risk of those tactics being quoted/talked about on the worlds biggest forum -that sounds suicidal and a bit mad.
Toxic Lemon's management must have loved that. Oh well, the benefits office is down the road he.
>>They stuffed their pages with Keywords, was that true or is that just gossip
no that was a fact, something in the region of 250,000 keyword optimised pages
>>They stuffed their pages with Keywords
My mistake I meant to say "keyword optimised pages"
>>Now why would one of the guys responsible for Toxic Lemon SEO tactics, tell anyone at a conference what they were upto
because that's what happens at these conferences, people discuss things, nothing wrong with that...
>>Oh well, the benefits office is down the road
nah I don't think the owner needs to go on state benefit.
The owner of toxiclemon is a webmasterworld member and while I do know the reason why it was removed (because he told me at a conference) I certainly won't be posting it but if anyone else wishes too then be my guest...
Now why would one of the guys responsible for Toxic Lemon SEO tactics, tell anyone at a conference what they were upto
Why shouldn't they EK?
Maybe if you attended a conference or two you could be party to a hell of a lot of very useful information. I have only attended 4 of the conferences and I learnt more in 1hr there than I have in a year of figuring stuff out. Instead you are happy to sit and disbelieve what people are saying without rhyme or reason.
Its pretty obvious even to the newest newbie what toxic lemon were doing. They were just one of the few that did it well and rode the crest of the wave for a while. Many have tried to follow up with the same or similar ideas but it just doesn't cut it anymore.
Ska
Maybe because of company information leaks. I wouldn't want any of my employees spouting my SEO strategies or how my site worked to an unknown crowd. And most conferences are full of strangers.
if you attended a conference or two you could be party to a hell of a lot of very useful information
And you're saying I didn't attend the last one. Okay.
The problem with conferences is they are like forums, er many seminars have their regular delegates, as they also have other attendees, the ones you won't know - and they could tell you anything they like. I bet there are some that will believe anything they hear too, just so they can quote it elsewhere and 'sound' like an expert. The guy from toxic could have been spreading false information about or damage limitation, and noone would know. That and the constant BS which is common at conferences, and is why I automatically disbelieve what I hear when I attend them.
It depends on how careful one is. You got to be careful as you never know who you're talking to at an event or otherwise in life! Or in here too...
Will toxic lemon get back in Google?
toxiclemon was only ever out of google for 48 hours, its still listed
