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most of the people watching this SE's activity were encouraged to think that ODP data used fueling Google Directory's database will soon become obsolete
It's possible that "most of the people watching this SE's activity" are just morons, and I'm being extremely generous by using the word "possible".
Most of what you wrote isn't even logical -- you're trying to extrapolate patterns and derive agendas from unrelated facts. Whether or not Google includes an ODP link on its front page has nothing to do with dmoz.org's PageRank, which has nothing to do with whether the ODP is "obsolete", which has nothing to do with Froogle, etc, etc.
Google doesn't manipulate its algorithm to send secret messagse about its business plans, and the ODP's currency doesn't depend solely on Google.
Google rearranged their front page. Period. Stop. End of Story. Everything else is the just the wishful thinking of dmoz.org's jilted paramours. There is no story here.
How would you know?
"It's been two days since"
Thanks for yet another update from planet Zork.
Here on Earth it might be a good idea to start reading the excellent message boards at webmasterworld before stating anti-facts as true.
Okay, to be more generous, maybe days = weeks on Zork.
That's my opinion.
Fair enough. I don't actually agree with you, but I don't think it actually matters who's right and who's wrong.
PR has become one of the far-less-significant-factors in the google algorithm.
If you're seeing a boost from sites being in DMOZ, it's for reasons other than PR.
Also msg #8 in this thread [webmasterworld.com].
Itís all natural.
Let's stop this ridiculous conversation. :)
[edited by: John_Caius at 11:48 am (utc) on April 22, 2004]
This is no surprise. The Open Directory is huge. Every category has a link to the 'about Dmoz' page, which also currently has PR 10. That page links to the front page.
Moreover there are hundreds of sites using copies of Dmoz with the proper attribution back to mamma. Every category in the Google Directory has links on it back to the equivalent category in Dmoz and to the 'about Dmoz' page.
Dmoz was PR10 back in 2002, it then fell to PR9 and maybe it has now got back a PR10......it doesn't matter much because PR is now the fifth act on the performance.
The content at Dmoz is now more important than the PR value. That is why it why it has regained some importance.
Though anything that any of us post here on WebmasterWorld regarding google is speculation (with the exception of the reps).
It is a possibility that google have manually set the PR of DMOZ - but I think very unlikely.
I did a query for "page rank" and got the "No Open Directory Project results found" message, with an invitation to redirect my search towards Google and its segments (and eventually try my search on Google Directory, which uses the ODP structure - so it's some sort of a search circle, since Google Directory aperiodically updates its database).
Anyway, if searching on DMOZ for "student" or for any other word from the daily vocabulary, one will notice that the results are only presented as ODP categories, and not web sites containing this word. So there is a limited amount of keywords for the DMOZ content (the ones included in the titles of its categories), while for the rest of the worldwide words, one is suggested to try Google. This might also explain the 10/10 PageRank granted to DMOZ.
I still personally belive that maximum PR is given after a short meeting (e.g.: compare the 86,900 backward links to Apple 10/10 with 136,000 bacward links pointing to Microsoft 9/10). Humans do it better.
Q: Are the ODP and Google sites naturally occuring PR10 (PR11 for Google?) or is there some manual intervention for larger sites to ensure they have suitable PR?
A: Itís all natural.
Please stop filling this board with useless speculation.
That would be wierd. Almost as wierd as inviting the Porcine Infernal Arctic Aerial Squadron to perform at the Paris Air Show.
I hate to disparage a good imagination, but it might be better to keep this discussion to things that have actually happened.
Pagerank is mathematical. Yahoo's volume of links is not what matters to PR; quality and quantity of the quality matters. Better internal linking matters. There are loads of considerations which you should be trying to understand rather than asserting coffeehouse decisionmaking in black helicopter land.
You obviously don't have much understanding here, so asking questions would be a good idea. For example, despite giving you the benefit of the doubt, the fact of the matter is PR for Dmoz didn't update two days ago. It was more than two weeks ago.
a) number of links to your page
- more links is better, in an additive way. Like donations to a bank account, every little helps but a big donation is better than a small one. Small donations can't drag your total down, just not increase your total by much.
b) PR of each page linking to your page
- if the BBC links to you then it's worth more than Bob's PR 1 Blog linking to you.
c) number of other links on the same page
- the PR that can be transferred to your page is divided by the links on the page. So if yours is the only link then the PR benefit you get is much more than if your link is in a list of 200 other links.
if you did not mean that, then your blather about "giving page rank 10 to a site nobody had ever heard of" was irrelevant and misleading, and you worked hard to be misnderstood.
Now, YOUR ignorance of the ODP is clearly great: but it doesn't follow that everyone else's must be.
Caveat: I'm not paid to speak for the ODP. I'm a volunteer, both here and there. It is a privilege and a delight to speak of it, though, from a basis of several years' personal experience.