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what about dynamic page submission?

can i submit dynamic pages to Directory

     
12:42 am on Mar 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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hi all,
thanks webworld for help.

now another doubt is the submission of dynamic pages of website.

is it good tactic to submit dynamic pages to the directories?

i searched the directory but i never found any dynamic URL in the results.

is this a sign that directory does not accept the dynamic pages?

please help me clear this doubt.

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12:59 am on Mar 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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What directories are you referring to? What do you mean by a dynamic page? A database driven page that only results from a user query or a CMS driven page?
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database page and the directory DMOZ
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With DMOZ, I would count yourself lucky to have your home page reviewed and listing, and worry not about your dynamic pages.
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chicago in what context are you saying this.

dynamic pages are the database driven pages.

i could not understood this please give me some details.

i ll be thankful to you.

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>is it good tactic to submit dynamic pages to the directories?

This begins to remind me of the Swedish recipe for Polar Bear: (first you catch your bear, and then you prepare it like reindeer.)

You're forgetting to catch the bear.

First Focus on finding your bear, um, getting a site. If you don't have content that can stand on its own without being listed in a directory AT ALL, then ... you don't have content that is eligible for listing in a directory, at all. We're not talking about whether you get 10 or 100 directory links. We're talking about whether you have zero or zero.

But instead, you're trying to reinvent the spamming-wheel that was already smelling like roadkill four years ago -- so strong it reeked that there was a specific addition to the ODP guidelines: "DO NOT LIST search result URLs."

And bear in mind that the most common uses for search result URLs (directories, product catalogs) won't be deeplinked anyway. Do you think the ODP has half-a-million listings in Yahoo? or vice versa? go look, if you don't believe me. Now, why would we deeplink smaller directories?

Read the submittal policies: one site, submit one suggested listing.

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Hutch,

I don't think it is fair or even accurate to automatically equate "dynamically-generated" with spam. If each page of the site were submitted, that would be a problem. OTOH, I have no problem with, and even listed, the Australian informational insurance site which is dynamic.

The main thing I don't like about them is the ludicrously long URL's. Identifying the entry point can be tricky as well. Sometimes the webmasters don't offer one, pretty much negating the possibility of getting listed at the ODP.

-- Rich

[edited by: skibum at 1:04 am (utc) on Mar. 25, 2004]

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This asker said he was talking about database-driven search pages, though.
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Franzen, don't equate dynamic page _generation_ with dynamic page _submission_.

But I agree, in general one can fairly say ALL pages are dynamically generated == you have only one file system process, but it provides different results based on the URL you give it. And so, replacing the file system with a database server that does EXACTLY THE SAME THING with the search portion of the URL shouldn't be a big deal. We can generalize easily enough from that. In fact, the vast majority of the internet content I've contributed is served semi-dynamically (through caching preprocessing servers) with pages SOMETIMES built on the fly -- not that you'd know it unless the webmasters told you.

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Flicker, maybe you and hutcheson are seeing something I do not?

Navdeep said he (?) "searched the directory" (presumably the ODP), but that is his only reference to "search". He wanted to see if we listed dynamic pages, not if we listed search engine results.

<edit add>Hutch, I won't if you won't. :) Take another look.</edit>

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For an ODP listing, you should be submitting only the root domain of the site to the one best category, for consideration.

How your deep pages are generated is not relevant to the discussion, because in general the ODP will not be listing those at all.

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This begins to remind me of the Swedish recipe for Polar Bear: (first you catch your bear, and then you prepare it like reindeer.)

Just out of curiosity, since there are no polar bears to catch in Sweden, where does this recipe come from? ;)

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Post #3 and 5 both mention that the pages are "database-driven." The assumption that it's not a sophisticated DB-driven e-text system like, say, MOA or CCEL, is based on my read of the technical expertise involved.
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>Just out of curiosity, since there are no polar bears to catch in Sweden, where does this recipe come from? ;)

Must have been a really good recipe.

(ducking behind an ice floe)

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Well, there USED to be polar bears in Sweden... before this recipe got popular! :-D :-D
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frazen,
i generally searched the ODP but every time i searched the directory, i never came across any dynamic URL. may be there are some pages with modified URLs those look like the static ones.
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There are some, IIRC, but -- and this is the important bit, THE SUBMITTAL POLICY SAYS NOT TO SUBMIT THEM.

The submittal policy says one site-or-collection-of-related-sites == one submittal. (Like the old Texan recipe for horse and rabbit stew: one horse, one rabbit, season to taste.)

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On some of my sites I use a content management system that stores content in and retrieves it from a database. When the CMS is installed out of the box, the URLs look "dynamic", i.e. with URL parameters la bla?id=123&lan=23 etc. I don't think the DMOZ guidelines subject to submission of sites that are backed by CMSes. And even if they did, it would be as easy as a pie to make the URL's statically looking (e.g. Apache's mod_rewrite).

To make a long story short: Can you submit sites that contain dynamically generated pages? Yes! Can you submit sites with pages containing randomly generated content or other kind of spam? Depends on the editor, but most probably not. Can you automatically/programatically submit sites to DMOZ. Sure! But make sure your program/script doesn't get bored waiting for the listing to appear ...

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slightly different subject, but can you submit the same site to different language versions of ODP if you have those languages on the site?

e.g.
english.mysite.com submitted to English DMOZ
russian.mysite.com submitted to same category in Russian DMOZ

got knocked back because russian editor said it was same content as listed in English DMOZ! but the russian was a translation (real pple, not software, 8 page static html site)

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I would go over to that forum run by ODP editors and use the search function - I am sure that this sort of question has probably been asked before.
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Yes, it is acceptable to submit to each Language the site is actually written in.

If the site is a particularly poor or machine translation, it may not be accepted, but as long as it provides content that is easily understandable in that language it should be listable (provided it meets normal requirements for unique content etc).

Submit the main url to each language if there are obvious links to the alternate language versions. We prefer to list the root url in each applicable category, rather than the deeplink of each language section.

ie make
__ mysite.com
have obvious links to both
__ english.mysite.com
__ russian.mysite.com
and mysite.com url could be listed in both

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Well, there USED to be polar bears in Sweden... before this recipe got popular!

Ok, now we have two senior ODP editors referring to a polar bear recipe from a country where polar bears were last seen over 10,000 years ago (fossils dating back to the last ice age). Since my presumption is that ODP editors base their statements on fact rather than myth it would be very interesting to hear where this recipe comes from! ;)

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It was just a joke. Like the ones about why dinosaurs really went extinct. (-: Don't read too much into it.

[edit] Oh, and I'm not a senior ODP editor... more of a journeyman, really. Obviously better at that than joke-telling, though. :-D

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<mutters darkly> Now where's that old Irish recipe for fried woodpecker?</mutter>