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Think DMOZ doesn't matter?

PR 6 site from dmoz link alone...

     
9:50 am on Mar 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

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A dinky little 50 page site I put together over Christmas and uploaded to my isp got accepted within a couple weeks to the DMOZ, then gained some 300-odd links through dmoz clones, inc. Google. As of tonight's backlinks update, the site has PR 6 (it's one of those nice dmoz categories, pr 7 without a lot of other links). Some of the clone links are pr 3-4. Oh, and I guess yahoo and msn found my site through those links because I get traffic from them as well as Google. I never bothered to submit the site anywhere else...

Too bad the sites I really care about and want to get into the dmoz have not been added after months and months. :P I don't blame the editors or anything like that; I just think it's amusing, in a frustrating kind of way, heh.

Anyway, I just posted in response to those folks that always say dmoz isn't that big of a deal. If you are lucky enough to get in and into a high pr category, it sure is nice!

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>As of tonight's backlinks update, the site has PR 6 (it's one of those nice dmoz categories, pr 7 without a lot of other links).

ODP categories like the above are statistically very rare. And in particular, for most of the webmasters who read and post here, it is even more unlikely their site would qualify for listing in such an ODP category.

Also, in almost all cases, if the ODP cat for such a site is so small, likely it isn't a competitive area. High PR isn't important for Google when there are few competing sites for the SERPs in question.

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Yeah, if you're in any kind of business where you could be said to have competitors, I really don't think it's going to help you much PR-wise. If you put a big collection of geologic maps or something like that online, you could probably get it to PR6 pretty quickly with just an ODP listing. If you have a webpage about your SEO firm, though, your PR would probably be 2 if all you had was the ODP link. Competitive industries aren't the ones with seven links on each page. (-:
4:38 pm on Mar 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Another factor involved here: to the surfer, one more site in a very competitive area is worth almost nothing (or even less than nothing, as I've argued elsewhere in quantitative detail); while one more site in a poorly-represented topic is worth a great deal. The editors tend to prioritize what's worth most.

To summarize: for a number of VERY good reasons -- any one of which would be sufficient by itself, "competitive" categories attract less editor attention.

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<then gained some 300-odd links through dmoz clones, inc. Google.>

Can someone please explain to me the above statement?

By getting listed on DMOZ does it really create that many additional links on Google? Does it also create additional traffic too?

How does this work? Is DMOZ the center of the universe when it comes to links?

Can anybody share any of their real stories with me?

Any help on this subject would be appreciated.

Thanks!

11:29 am on Mar 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Any site is allowed to download the dmoz directory and use it on their own website, as long as they include the necessary attribution statements. Here [dmoz.org] are all the ones dmoz currently knows about.

However, almost all these dmoz clones have virtually no PR and therefore virtually no benefit to the sites listed. Also there is no obligation to update your copy of the dmoz directory at any time, so many versions are many years old and don't include millions of sites that are now listed in the latest dmoz directory.

There are probably only three clones that generate any significant traffic for your average site - dmoz.org itself, the Google Directory and Alexa's copy of dmoz. Other copies might send you the odd visitor once in a blue moon and the odd atom of page rank from the link, but not much else.

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Hello

I do not think you really answered my question. What I would like to know is this:

I have seen many popular sites that have hundreds even thousands of links from Google.

Obviously these links came through some type of back door or something like that for these websites to have so many links on Google. I do not think someone typed in url's to all these site.

I want to know exactly how I can do the same thing.

Does DMOZ clones provide these links. How is it done?

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I've never seen an ODP clone show up in a Google link: command, except for Google's own directory, that is. I don't know whether that's because they're all too low in PR or because Google filters them. However, Google does count multiple pages from the same website. So if a site has 1000 pages and they all link back to the homepage, there's 1000 links to the homepage right there. (Assuming they're all PR4 and Google feels like reporting them, etcetera etcetera.)

It's really not that odd for there to be more than a thousand links to a site if it's the kind of site that makes people want to link to it (either because it's a great internet resource, because it runs a successful affiliate program, or just because it's faddish--there must be tens of thousands of blogs linking to popular web quizzes and the like).

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Ok Then

Here is what I do not understand.

Can you explain why I have over 4000 links in alltheweb, over 600 in Lycos, over 50 in MSN but only 8 in Google and AOL?

I just do not understand why this is? What can I do to get more links recognized by Google?

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>> There are probably only three clones that generate any significant traffic for your average site <<

For a small niche-topic site that gets about 20 to 40 visitors per day, from the logs I see that in the last year, there were only 4 visits IN TOTAL from dmoz clones (not counting Google Directory). So that is 4 visits in over 10 000 total.

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"What can I do to get more links recognized by Google?"

Ask the question in the correct forum?

11:17 pm on Mar 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I've never seen an ODP clone show up in a Google link: command, except for Google's own directory

I have seen one (ScienceDaily) - it has a higher PR

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>> I've never seen an ODP clone show up in a Google link: command, except for Google's own directory

Check the backlinks of some of the higher level editor profiles and you'll see a number of clones that have sufficient PR to be listed.

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>> Can you explain why I have over 4000 links in alltheweb, over 600 in Lycos, over 50 in MSN but only 8 in Google and AOL?

Google doesn't display all linking pages in response to the link: command -- only those above a certain PageRank threshold (approximately 4). That, though, does not necessarily mean that those links aren't taking into consideration in ranking or in calculating PageRank.

>> I've never seen an ODP clone show up in a Google link: command, except for Google's own directory

I see a handful of clones listed among the links for several of the sites the work on. As mentioned earlier, most of the dmoz clones have little PageRank, so they tend not to be listed and they contribute little to your own PR.

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I have seen a few dmoz clones show in backlinks for some sites, but they tend to be few in number, and then disappear from the list as soon as the Google directory shows up in the backlinks list.
 

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