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Submission confusion?

Are the DMOZ submission guidelines wrong?

         

WindSun

7:09 pm on Mar 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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So which is correct?

This is a quote from the Resource Zone board by senior editor:

It was submitted in Shopping/***/ on xxx. ...Resubmitting rewrites the date of submission, and sends your site to the end of the queue. Please do not resubmit....

This is a direct quote of what it says in the DMOZ submission guidelines:

If a site you submitted has not been listed after three weeks, you may submit it again or you may send an e-mail to an editor of the category for which the site was submitted....

rafalk

7:11 pm on Mar 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Unfortunately the guidelines are outdated in this regard.

We recently got this feature which prevents duplicate submissions in the same queue, and the guidelines haven't been updated to reflect it.

WindSun

7:18 pm on Mar 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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So if you resubmit, you really DO go back to the bottom of the queue?

John_Caius

7:22 pm on Mar 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Yes.

CuriousWeb

7:37 pm on Mar 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I think the best thing to do is to submit once only and then use the Submission status service at Resource Zone.

rfgdxm1

9:44 pm on Mar 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>Unfortunately the guidelines are outdated in this regard.

Yep, rafalk is right. Good grief. "If a site you submitted has not been listed after three weeks, you may submit it again or you may send an e-mail to an editor of the category for which the site was submitted..."? Not listed in 3 weeks? I've had to review submissions over 2 *years* old in some of the categories I currently edit. Getting a site added in 3 weeks at the ODP today is incredibly quick. The guidelines should change "weeks" to "years".

kctipton

10:48 pm on Mar 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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So should we be saying don't resubmit at all? Surely not. There's a chance the listing never got submitted or was inadvertently deleted or wasn't working at the time it got reviewed.

g1smd

11:47 pm on Mar 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

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In the past, some people have misread the three week bit to mean to resubmit every three weeks. Nowadays, that sort of activity could easily be classed as spam.

From what I have read, I believe the intent was simply to let people resubmit, just the once, if they believed that there was some sort of failure in the submission, or perhaps decided to revise the submission in some way.

Now that Resource Zone is in operation, and there are more automated functions helping with submissions, this is a bit outdated, but resubmitting once can still be a good idea in some cases. What is not a good idea, is repeated multiple submissions to the same category, or multiple submissions to different categories, submitting deeplinks of the same site, or multiple sites that are mirrors or doorways.

rfgdxm1

12:40 am on Mar 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>So should we be saying don't resubmit at all? Surely not. There's a chance the listing never got submitted or was inadvertently deleted or wasn't working at the time it got reviewed.

So you consider resubmitting after just 3 weeks when unreviewed submissions two years old at the ODP are commonplace? Perhaps if as g1smd posted this was qualified with a clear mention of doing this just *once* that might be OK. However, is a submission that has not been reviewed in 3 weeks anything material at the ODP today? I'll publicly confess as an ODP editor I have several submissions at least a couple days old I've been too lazy to review yet. And a number more than this because I observe a policy of giving the editor of a subcategory at least a month to review a submission first. I've already hit a dead end at the ODP because I can't request to edit any more cats and make sure I handle all submissions within a month. I have no objection whatsoever so long as the guidelines specify never to resubmit more than once. However, if the submission guidelines mention resubmitting within a few weeks, they are out of touch with reality.

RFranzen

2:26 am on Mar 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I don't know how other editors operate; I can only speak for myself as a 3-month old. Once I got my category clean, I requested to greenbust a somewhat related category. It is heavily prone to all styles of affiliate submissions and SPAM. After several weeks the :unreviewed queue was cleared out, with maybe 40% of the submissions greenbusted or moved for review in a more appropriate category.

The point is this -- it would not have mattered if someone had been resubmitting every 3 weeks and were at the bottom of the queue. Some submissions were well over a year old, but all of them did get reviewed, new and old.

Being at the "bottom of the queue" does not in itself mean that it will be reviewed last. I tend to look for listable submissions first, regardless of when they were submitted. Also, non-English submissions get quick review. The clearly don't belong to this category, so I try to figure out the approprate place in World, and move them for an editor to review there.

What might place a submission in my "personal bottom of the barrel" are things like IE-onliness, registration-required, and annoying-background-music sites. I may be a volunteer, but I've got to minimize actual masochism. ;)

-- Rich