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What makes an ODP listing so special?

     
10:31 am on Nov 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I have read several times on this board now, that there is no difference between a PR5 link from ODP and a PR5 from any other site - so what do we need it for then? why should one wait so long to get a link from ODP when there are so many other directories which have also good PR's?
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On a new site I got an ODP listing. One day after Fast was on me, Google followed another day later, then came INK and Altavista. Since then, without ever having submitted anything the site has propagated through the whole web.
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wow! that's sth different :-) danke heini...

any other advantages?

10:58 am on Nov 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Links from all the DMOZ clones.
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>why should one wait so long to get a link from ODP
Because, um, it takes that long? And going into stasis is not yet an option?

>...when there are so many other directories which have also good PR's?

PR is additive. DON'T wait for the ODP listing before going after the other directories. And DON'T depend on the ODP to give a listing in any specified time.

But DO ask for an ODP listing, and then (while some foolish person might be waiting) go ahead and do something constructive with your time and money, and other promotional channels.

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It's special because it's free, even for commercial sites. It's also special because Google uses it as it's directory.
4:43 am on Nov 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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HuhuFruFru,

I'll second heini's experience. And also add Teoma and Overture (somehow). It was like watching the sun come up, and the light spreading into each hidden valley (OK, forgive the artistic license). Meanwhile, I must have deleted several hundred "register with 10,000 search engines" junk e-mails, smiling as I did, and working on content and incoming links... "Hah! I got your 'submit' right here"

Jim

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The viral nature of an ODP listing makes it well worth the effort.
10:48 am on Nov 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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thank you all! :-)
5:06 pm on Nov 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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On a new site I got an ODP listing. One day after Fast was on me, Google followed another day later, then came INK and Altavista.

My current URL made it into Yahoo before it got into the ODP, and I saw the same thing happen: Googlebot showed up and crawled my site almost immediately after I got the Yahoo listing.

If you can justify the cost of a Yahoo submission, and if your ODP category doesn't have an editor (or is a category that has a reputation for being backlogged), submitting to Yahoo may also be worthwhile.

7:50 pm on Nov 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

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There is only one real benefit to being listed, and that is to get the initial search engines crawls. After that your listing could be dropped with little or no effect on PR.
8:46 pm on Nov 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

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There is only one real benefit to being listed, and that is to get the initial search engines crawls. After that your listing could be dropped with little or no effect on PR.

Theories are great! PageRank is but one consideration with DMOZ listings, but let's test just this single premise...

DMOZ listing received and crawled...

PageRank received from DMOZ
PageRank received from Google Directory
PageRank received from Lycos Directory
PageRank received from Hotbot Directory
PageRank received from Euroseek Directory (currently using DMOZ)
PageRank received from at minimum 100 secondary Directories
PageRank received from at minimum a few hundred quality RDF clones

DMOZ represents sites of higher than average quality. Over time the potential of unsolicited links various other sites looking for quality content.

After crawl discard the DMOZ listing.

Lose of PageRank received from DMOZ
Lose of PageRank received from Google Directory
Lose of PageRank received from Lycos Directory
Lose of PageRank received from Hotbot Directory
Lose of PageRank received from Euroseek Directory
Lose of PageRank received from at minimum 100 secondary Directories
Lose of PageRank received from at minimum a few hundred quality RDF clones (although this will take some time for all to update.

I suppose you would keep any links from sites that previously viewed DMOZ for your link... but you won't get any more.

Lastly, you will never have an opportunity to receive your own DMOZ category.

Might I suggest: Re-thinking your theory. ;)

Another related thread: Dmoz: Rules, Responsibilities and Rankings [webmasterworld.com] started by NFFC, that looks beyond PageRank.

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I agree! Dmoz and Yahoo are identical, both will give you pagerank with the major SE's. In fact, I'd say Yahoo will probably bring you even more traffic. From my experience, forget Dmoz, it's not that important as everyone thinks, and for a small fee of $300, you can get a result from Yahoo in just 7 days with VERY LOW probability of rejection. Way, way simpler and faster to build your business... My opinion: Dmoz = great for sites that don't want to make money. Yahoo = great for sites that want to make money
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i'd like to add something:

a dmoz listing enlarges your listing on the google-serp hence should improve your click ratio.

4:36 pm on Nov 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

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and for a small fee of $300 ...

That's close a whole week's wages for the average American. Hardly a "small" amount.

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are you serious? I don't believe it!
6:34 pm on Nov 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Fathom :
"DMOZ represents sites of higher than average quality. Over time the potential of unsolicited links various other sites looking for quality content. "

LOLOLOLOL.. thanks for the laugh..

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are you serious? I don't believe it!

According to statistics [census.gov] by the Census Bureau, per capita income was less than $23,000 ($22,851). That translates to around $440 dollars per week.

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dauction wrote: LOLOLOLOL.. thanks for the laugh...

Your welcome.

Here's another laugh for you.

As of today for the month of November have 5 web sites all pushing 15,000 uniques per day.

2 more pushing 10,000 per day.

and the remaining 15 are doing 2,000 plus.

that's on average 125,000 uniques per day.

I laugh to, with every check.