Zero PR Dmoz Cat

[jamsy]

Have just taken on an seo job where the site is currently in a Category within DMOZ with 0pr - never seen this myself before.

What would be the best way to get this moved and in to another category - However any argument i throw to the editor that another cat is more relevant i fear will fall on deaf hears.

Any thoughts?

[jackofalltrades]

Itll only get moved if there is a more appropriate category for it.

If you can make a good case for this, send a polite note to the category editor and ask if it would be possible to review the site and move to the other category.

However, if its in the category its supposed to be you're lumbered with it! :)

JOAT

[stuntdubl]

I have noticed this myself when roaming through DMOZ. How does a DMOZ cat get a PR0?

<added>Also....has anyone else noticed not being able to search DMOZ most of the time now? Keep getting 'under heavy load error'</added>

[edited by: stuntdubl at 4:56 pm (utc) on Nov. 20, 2002]

[Beachboy]

Probably because that category is identified by Google as being a "bad neighborhood."

[rogerd]

Jamsy, base your argument on the appropriateness of the category, not on the fact that the current cat is PR0, that it's hard to find the site using search engines, etc. DMOZ (rightly) is not concerned about those external issues.

[rogerd]

Stuntdubl, the cat is affected (most likely) because one or more of the listed sites are penalized. My guess is that a single penalized site in a list of 100 total wouldn't do it, but if a significant percentage of the linked sites are bad, a penalty could be imposed. It's remotely possible the page itself could be penalized if it is a topic Google hates, like link farms, but I'd say that's less likely.

[stuntdubl]

After looking.....it seems that most all subcats of regional directories are now PR0

Anyone know the reason for this?

It seems hardly fair if a site is only listed in a local section.

Example:
[dmoz.org...]

[dmoz.org...]

[ciml]

Most PR0 pages are not penalised, they just have less than PR1. It's quite common for deep pages in a site to be listed with Toolbar PR0.

[HuhuFruFru]

I think subcats which have newly been created always get a pr0

[rogerd]

You are correct, stuntdubl. I was a bit surprised, but these listings are very deep. Did they have higher PR before? Could be an algo change if they did. Not all of the cats at that level are PR0, one locale I checked had at least one PR1. This doesn't look like any kind of penalty, just a decline in PR as one works down through eight levels of DMOZ. In case the editors don't have enough to do, maybe their job description should include, "find external links to your category to build its PR". ;)

[kfander]

>> it seems that most all subcats of regional directories are now PR0 <<

I've just checked some random subcategories of a half dozen Localities subcategories, and found PR5 and PR6. It may have been a temporary glitch.

[JonB]

stuntdubl, the pages you showed examples dont exist. maybe that is why it is pr 0.

[dmoz.org...]

here is one deep one and it is pr 3.

I would say that you have to go from biggest category to the smallest one..you will notice that pr goes down slow. if you get to one category that has pr 3 or 4 and next one is pr 0 then it might be something wrong.

i even tried going (all chosen random)deep as it gets :

dmoz.org/Regional/North_America/United_States/Alabama/Localities/
M/Madison/Travel_and_Tourism/Lodging/Bed_and_Breakfast/

still pr 3!

can you another example of pr 0 that are good urls?

[edited by: engine at 8:45 pm (utc) on Nov. 20, 2002]
[edit reason] fixed side scrolling [/edit]

[pageoneresults]

I'd wait until after the next update to see what is going on. I have a site that was sitting in a PR0 category a couple of months ago. That cat now has PR5 and it jumped there from PR0. I think they stole some of our PR in the process! ;)

With all the recent fluctuations in PR during the past two updates, I seriously think that there is more reorganization going on in the PR algo. If those cats don't get PR in the next couple of updates, then I might go on a mission to see what's up.

[fathom]

Top: Computers: Internet: Web Design and Development: Promotion:

Link Popularity [dmoz.org]

here's one - pretty good topic I might add! ;)

One particular site with global in their url is the cause.

(all that hidden text! and links!)

[Fiver]

i may just be on drugs (pepsi counts)

but do you see a sliver of green on the pr bars in the example fathom just posted?

it must just be a < 1

zoom in in photoshop. two shades of green.

[mack]

what we also need to remember is that dmoz has been having it's fare share of technichal problems for a while now. It is possible that certain areas of the directory where down during the crawl and have received a PR0 as a result of not being indexed.

[fathom]

The link pop cat has been that way for at least 6 months.

Fiver, I don't know if that sliver counts

sliver [142.176.232.93]

Thin, very thin. (Res 1600)

[JonB]

Fiver: yes, i see it :) but it is "default" - my pr 0 pages have all the same 2 pixels of green.

fathom: also "tools" link has pr 0 too.

it is hard to belive that category would have pr les than 1 and others on the same level around 3. one category up and you have pr 7! something smells here...

[JonB]

fathom: why is the pic blured? we have pc where everything is digital right? no blur:)

use "print screen", then open psp , paste and zoom :)

[fathom]

A quite shot, I just increased the image size.

[stuntdubl]

I think Mack is right.

It seems strange that DMOZ itself would be penalized for the links of a few bad sites.

The cats I am talking about don't seem to have any shady sites either.

I'm hoping that the local cats that I am listed in were just having problems and not spidered correctly. Guess only time will tell, but DMOZ has been very flaky lately, and I'm thinking that is part of the problem with the PR0 cats.