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WeŽll need a Dmoz oriented Forum.

DonŽt you think so?

         

Marcos

1:40 pm on Sep 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Dmoz was allready very important, specialy as a primary way to get pageRank at Google. Now it seems Google has delegated quality management to Dmoz almost enterilly (!). WeŽll need a forum for Dmoz, I think. Go for it, Webmasterworld!

yapuka

1:44 pm on Sep 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

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If, as you said, Google has delegated quality management to the ODP, you will not need a new forum.

Why don't you work on quality instead?

;)

korkus2000

1:49 pm on Sep 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

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WeŽll need a forum for Dmoz

You are here. Ask away. :) A lot of DMOZ editors frequent this forum.

Mike_Mackin

1:53 pm on Sep 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

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What korkus2000 said.....

>WeŽll need a Dmoz oriented Forum.

Been there, done that.
Seems that it just turns into a whine fest - editor bashing - why take so long THING

Marcos

2:22 pm on Sep 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Hi yapuka,

>Why don't you work on quality instead?

Quality can compesate abuse now, with the new scheme.

martinibuster

2:49 pm on Sep 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

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a whine fest

Wow! That's so true!

What would we talk about in the dmoz forum:

#1 I submitted (insert your number here) times and I still haven't been admitted!

#2 The editor says my web site is inappropriate for the category!

#3 The editor says my web site doesn't have enough content!

19 times out 20, the editor was correct.

And only three times have the whiners been big enough to apologize for wasting everybody's time.

Did I miss any?

Marcos

3:06 pm on Sep 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

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martinibuster, IŽm convinced now you are very comfortable at you Dmoz Editor Post.

martinibuster

3:13 pm on Sep 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Ha-ha. Thanks Marcos.
I should have added this:

I think that the point I wanted to stress is that, although there are some pretty useful posts about odp here, too many are repetitive.

But, it is a good idea, and worthy of consideration.

toolman

3:13 pm on Sep 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I, for one, will be glad when the last electron dies off in the ODP servers and they are gone for good.

Then all my competitors in all the different categories will have to find something else to do besides being ODP editors with tunnel vision towards their own sites relevance.

Just think Jamaican mon....Dey My Own Zites mon.

Beachboy

8:08 pm on Sep 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Toolman: Ha! Funny.

Yeah, set up a Dmoz forum. After all, people do need a place to whine. I mean we have Google News, right? Why not Dmoz Whining?

brotherhood of LAN

8:19 pm on Sep 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Just think Jamaican mon....Dey My Own Zites mon.

Classic- if we did have a dmon forum that would have to be pinned up in the charter :)

I think I got most of what I need to know about DMOZ checking out the older threads here and re-reading some of the better threads. There were plenty between Jan-May this year........since then I've only heard about editors tendencies or accusations ;)

rcjordan

8:20 pm on Sep 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Lemmee see, where is that old, canned reply about "odp editor is competitor?" --we used to get a bunch of those.

Yep, you're in the right forum, the charter says so [webmasterworld.com].

jeremy goodrich

8:25 pm on Sep 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

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DMOZ forum - don't need it, imho. I think the others have covered it pretty well.

Toolman, that's funny. Next time I'm adding one of my sites to a category I run, I'll think of you...(kidding! not an editor at dmoz...so don't be offended)

However, I think that the useful thing is to talk about what makes a good site, for a directory - and what you can do to better the representation of the topics at hand in the category you are looking to get into.

I've read a few of those posts here, with some very good tips in them. If you really have something unique, novel, and different, I'm sure you will get in.

If all you are offering the directory is a new spin on the same tired themes they've got covered 50 ways from sunday...then perhaps your site just shouldn't be there, right?

For all that people do complain, and I'll admit to being one of them, it seems a thankless job for those many, many editors that volunteer and do it well...they've got to put up with all of us, after all. :)

rcjordan

8:25 pm on Sep 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Ahh, here it is, courtesy of Fast:

[webmasterworld.com...]

nicebloke

9:08 pm on Sep 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Don't the DMOZ editors have their own forum somewhere? I forgot the url but I'm sure they do...

g1smd

10:02 pm on Sep 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

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There is an internal editors-only forum that you will not get access to. There is also a public forum where submitters can ask about sites and discuss odp related topics. It is easy enough to find.

Marcos

10:13 pm on Sep 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Hi rcjordan,
I said "WeŽll need a Dmoz oriented Forum. DonŽt you think so?"

Your answer seems to be it amounts to "Whining". Further more, as Brett_Tabke said, "One more time a little louder: We are NOT the dmoz site listing help desk."

Is that what you are telling me? No whinig? No help?

heini

10:20 pm on Sep 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Hey Marcos, what is you're answer to the people saying this forum deals with DMOZ, to a large extent?

Marcos

10:39 pm on Sep 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Hi heini,

>Hey Marcos, what is you're answer to the people saying this forum
>deals with DMOZ, to a large extent?

It may, but it is call Directories. I try to be respectfull, post in the right place. If you tell me this is the place, IŽll use it. Of course, is up to you to decide if is necesary or not to create a new forum. Maybe tomorrow it dos not seems to be such a good idea.
Still, an Administrator just closed a tread I started at Google forum, dmoz/google related, said it was off topic. Not nice.

rcjordan

10:41 pm on Sep 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Actually, I was adding to what Mackin posted upstream.

>no help

PLENTY of help here if anyone is seeking information about the mechanics of ODP, how it effects rank, etc., but WebmasterWorld isn't a reporting desk for problems with specific categories or editors ...and that's been a big, big problem for forums in the past. (Note the date on that "editor-is-competitor" thread, this is a long-standing issue.) No help there.

hutcheson

8:09 pm on Sep 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

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This forum is still, I understand, open for SOME ODP questions.

Some kinds of questions aren't allowed, for good historical reasons: "Why can't I get my site listed" or "what is the status of my site submission?" (I could wish it were possible to address stuff like this, but I know the historical reasons why it's not.)

Other questions aren't going to be allowed ANYWHERE in public, like discussion of accusations of editor abuse, or confidential details about particular editors (or even ex-editors.) Even if the forum allowed it, the Editor Guidelines don't.

Still other kinds of questions might as well not be discussed here, because they are "resolutions to bell the cat" -- ODP ought to do this or that (which they have promised not to do) or to take on this or that task (that would neither attract editors nor contribute to directory-building.)

Within these limits, ODP editors are encouraged to represent the ODP in public wherever they can constructively do so, including public forums like this one.