MSN gave me heartbreak

kicked out from msn

[shlom]

Hi
If someone couls help me with this myterious I would be greatly thankful.

It is about a year or so that our site is listed in msn, and msn was the leading in bringing traffic to our site. I cant recall ever listed our site to msn, it was just there after a short preiod that we luanch our site.

One month ago I notice that our statistic (2000 a day) dramaticaly fall to 1,300 a day. and saw that no more entries from msn.

I have no idea what is the reason. does anyone know.

I cant find any place to submit the site again to msn withour payment. Is there a new policy? do you know something? can you advise?

Thanks

[jdMorgan]

shlom,

Welcome to WebmasterWorld [webmasterworld.com]!

You are not alone. I have seen a couple of threads on this subject here recently, although this [webmasterworld.com] is the only one I could find. I lost one site in MSN myself - with no good explanation for it. So, the answer was to pay a $39 fee to get it back in quickly, which I did. :(

Jim

[shlom]

Thanks very much

I guess I wont have any choise but pay them.

still... a misterious......

thanks

Shlomit

[jeremy goodrich]

Inktomi provides a lot of the search results to MSN, as many search strings are 'unique' and occur infrequently. Any time Inktomi does a database update there will be a bit of a shuffle in the results, from what I can tell, it seems to be a 3 week cycle for 'non paid' pages in the db.

Also, their db is very unstable sometimes, as I've been able to search for something in Inktomi then hit 'f5' for refresh, and get a totally different, (off topic) set of results. *if* there was a bit more cohesion to their workings, I could give a better answer, but I'm afraid jdMorgan has it right - if you want stability in MSN, the only choice is to start paying some $$$ :)

On the other hand, educating people away from them -> long term, might save you some $$$ as well...if we could get people to NOT use them, then there would be no need to pay.

[heini]

>no need to pay

Actually I don't see any need to pay. Ink gets to my pages for free in a reasonably short amount of time. Happily I never lost any pages either, at least not that I'd noticed.

Apart from that we have another well known SE which currently seems to "loose" peoples most important pages on pretty regular basis :)

Generally absolut stability in indexes of 2+ Bill size is probably a lot to ask for technically. And after all it's questionable if this is really an important aim for the SEs.

[jeremy goodrich]

Ya, I haven't been paying for a while myself :) If you read through some of the Inktomi documentation on their website - and understand how they work as a search engine, then you'll notice there are some parts of the web they will always index for free.

Become part of that, and you are there - without spending dime #1.

[heini]

How big do you estimate the percentage of paid pages?

>added>
Reason I'm asking this seemingly offtopic question is this: Ink has around 2 Bill docs indexed. How large can the PFI'ed part possibly be? 0,1%? Less?
So how are the chances anybody with a reasonably well linked site is forced to pay to get in there?

[jdMorgan]

Heini: Actually I don't see any need to pay.
Jeremy: ...you'll notice there are some parts of the web they will always index for free.

And so I thought, too. Until this fairly-well-linked 3-year-old site got dropped. Previously, it was getting updated fairly often in the Ink listings - sometimes once a week - for minor seasonal/monthly/weekly updates to the site. Then, it disappeared. Because of MSN traffic, the site owner didn't have the luxury of waiting around for a freebie re-index. Every day he was out, he was losing ~20% of his usual traffic.

Some technical problem at the "font of all free listings" or at Ink must have caused the problem, but there was no time to waste on pinning down the exact cause. The PFI fee was a no-brainer in this case, but now I worry whether he'll have to pay again next year or get dropped. Yet another account issue to manage...

In another thread that I can't seem to find (yet or anymore), someone theorized that this might be a way to boost PFI subscriptions. I'm not a conspiracy buff, but it might bear watching to see if any trend devlops over time.

Jim

[jeremy goodrich]

>>>>>>>In another thread that I can't seem to find (yet or anymore), someone theorized that this might be a way to boost PFI subscriptions

I was actually quoted as saying something similar to that, about two years ago on another website. :)

There is also the 'refresh glitch' which will happen - and the fact that MSN applies their own filter to the INK SERP. So, for one reason or another, it could be that MSN 'filtered' for whatever reason, the site you are referring to.

[Alternative Future]

I am also having a similar issue, my domain always ranked high in the Ink(MSN) SERP's for a few keywords that are the main source of my traffic. Inktomi first found the site in 1999 and always regularly visited the site until last year.
Now it cannot be found within the first 100+ page results, the only way I have found it is by searching the full domain.
I took out PFI with a recommended supplier to have the 48hr revisit (Inktomi bot) this hasn’t helped in anyway.
After further research (this is where I think the BUG originates from – please correct me if am off in the wrong direction) I found that one of my clients (reciprocal links) had linked back to mydomain.info rather than the .com. But even this domain is not listed in the SERP's – weird!
I have since placed a .htaccess re-directing every incoming request to the .com with a RewriteRule of [R=permanent,L] and this has been in place for some months now (3+), after monitoring my site stats closely the bot arrives fetches the pages places a 301 redirect to them and leaves. Still no joy with getting back into the SERP's though. What I cannot seem to find in the stats is the exact domain the bot is requesting though.
All I can do is give it more time I suppose *but* this time thing is quite annoying :(
So if anyone has any feedback on this scenario then please get back with a reply, much appreciated.

Best wishes,

-gs

[jdMorgan]

Jeremy,

The site I described got dropped from Ink, and from the others Ink "powers" as a result. After PFI, it was back in two days.

Jim

[shlom]

Hi

I am reading your messages and not sure I undererstand.

Our site has a loss of 700 entries a day, and my checkings found out that we were kicked out from msn, which was number one in brining visitors to our site.

Should I "blame" Overture or msn

What do I have to do to be back in msn>?

please help

Thanks many

[korkus2000]

Msn is powered by Inktomi, Overture, and Looksmart. I would find out which index has dropped you.

[shlom]

Thanks so much! I would greatly appreciate it!

Shlomit

[heini]

Shlom, what Korkus was asking is: did you pay Overture or Looksmart or Inktomi to get indexed? Or did your site get included to the Inktomi index for free?

[shlom]

Heini

we never paid for any of this search engines... We was just there...

And as far as I know we were listed on the three of them.

You know, something really strange. On last friday I saw on my monitor (HumanClick) that Inktomi robot is on the site. and I realy hoped we will be back. but no.

Shlomit

[tedster]

There can be several weeks between a spider visit and the time they update their database online -- but you're right to be hopeful, seeing the spider is a good sign. It just takes a while.

[shlom]

Thank you all people

you are great

[cabbie]

As of today msn dropped at least 6 of my sites and their serps in my area are radically different