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A new search engine with no bias?

not for me, not for you, but for the web as a whole!

         

Stickymaster

6:37 pm on May 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



This thread [webmasterworld.com] regarding the BBC's search engine got me thinking.
Imagine a search engine that was free of Spam, free of paid for listings and placements that brings effective and target search results to the user with no bias.

Just imagine it for a few minutes....

Wouldn't that be great?

Back to reality now..there is no single SE on the web that brings this to the user. Almost all SE's bring half decent results that are relevant, however there is not one engine that gives 100% unbiased search results.

For example I typed the words "web design books" in Google and at the top of the results page is Elance.com - which is a paid for listing. Not very relevant is it?

The reason for this is because SE's have to generate a revenue. Fair enough, but this somewhat compromises the search results a little.

What if there was a SE that could bring relevant, targeted results to the user without bias towards the advertiser.

Surely that can't be achieved as the SE would have to generate revenue from some where?

What about a search engine that is paid for by you, me and everyone?

*Is this man mad* you ask.

Well hold on, I haven't finished.

The BBC is a global media company that is paid for by the general public in the UK. Everyone who owns a TV has to pay for it, wether right or wrong.

Why doesn't someone build a search engine for everyone to use, but instead of advertisers paying for it, why not the general web public subscribing to it for the opportunity to use a search engine that was free of Spam, free of paid for listings and placements that brings effective and target search results to the user with no bias.

I would gladly pay 30-50 dollars a year for this, not only as a user of the web but also a webmaster.

Just imagine, everyone would be on a level playing filed. Just imagine, the quality of a website would become better. Just imagine that sites at the top of the new SE would not be there because of SEO tricks or because you had better keywords then your competitor, but because they were relevant and targeted to the users search query and because of the quality of the website.

I don't know about you but the current SE's are full of nonsense and irreverence. Yahoo for example has some sites at the top of its search results that have not been updated in years, I have checked and these are not history based or statistical type of sites.

Some of you may argue that this new SE would still cost, yeah but it would be free in the scheme of things. My site is better than some of the sites above my site in major SE's, I'm not just saying this, I am saying this from a design and web standards point of view, yet the only way my site can get above the sites above mine, is if I can apply some SEO tricks, or buy a placement in that engine, this ain't democratic is it?

I'm sure you guys and gals will have differing views but I personally think that this would be a great idea, not for me, not for you, but for the web as a whole.

Cheers,

Stickymaster.

jeremy goodrich

6:58 pm on May 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



As soon as an engine is built, an SEO comes along, dying to crack it :)

Fact, not fiction.

Come up with any algo, anyone at all, there will be a flaw. Then will come the exploit, and then will there be the #1 ranking for purple what's its...a cloaked page, redirecting to red gizmos (because they are a prime competitor in the what's its and gizmos category, and the products are regularly seen as substitutes).

However, if such an engine could be built, it would make the web a better place. Make people laugh, sing, cry, hold hands...love one another with universal affection...there would be no hate, no war, no poverty...we'd live in awe of the

one cool engine
.

Your ideas are noble, i'll give you that...and I too would like to see such things. Doubt it, but I would like to see it....and then be one of the first in line to crack it. ;)

Stickymaster

7:14 pm on May 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



Hi jeremy, thanks for your reply. Yeah what you say makes sense, but in the near future I can see an algo that could do this.

People like yourself and fellow SEO's should round up your knowledge and try to create an engine that couldn't fall to SEO tricks.

Cheers,

Stickymaster.

jdMorgan

7:45 pm on May 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



If the "user pays" business model keeps growing, I'll just use ODP! In the last year, my non-profit club has been "locked out" of SE after SE, as they each adopt a pay-per-click or pay-for-listing model.

Our web site doesn't sell anything. It is an information resource for local members, and has content useful to members of our parent organization globally. But, we got no money to pay $100 to every new PPx SE that pops up.

If you, dear reader, are an ODP editor - Thank You! ODP, big "G," and a very few others are all that's keeping the web from going "all commercial, all the time".

Grumble, grumble. ;)

Go2

8:12 pm on May 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



Interesting,
well on a philosophical level, there is no single one truth. There is no unique ranking which will be interpreted as the "truth" by all people. Because all opions matter, freedom of speech and freedom of expression and all that..

We can only hope that as many people as possible find what they are looking for...