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It seems to me there are opportunities here for smaller more focused directories and engines to take up the slack a little.
Onya
Woz
ncw164x
[alltheweb.com...]
Great search engines with very good results, some times better then Google.com, for some time now google.com has had some bad results like the site not there when you click on the link and so on.
I am wondering, now that Google has completely scrued over SEO'ers, what is the second best engine to Google? And how can I optimize for it (best in terms of traffic)?
Without Google you are as good as dead. There is no second best engine.
Ok, if you fokus on both FAST and Inktomi and get good rankings you might still get some traffic, be prepared to throw a lot of money into PFI.
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Teoma, Altavista, Alltheweb are all worth looking at also.
Another angle is too look at getting listings on other highly related sites, i see quite a lot of referrals that way.
yep heard that one many times - what a load of rubbish, there was once a time when Google did'nt exist.
Greetings,
Herenvardö
Lets face it market trends unfortunately all point towards G so thats the only engine to optimise for, although I do look forward to the day when Y shows Ink, dam never thought I would say that :( what have you done G
it's all very well saying what engine to optimise next for but unfortunately Joe public use G, so the next question is how do you educate them to use a different engine?
The same way Google was promoted at the very start - with word of mouth. It was the techies and the industry insiders that first were enamoured with Google and spread the word. These days it's second-rate journalists who throw the G word around in articles and interviews and think it makes them sound important and knowledgeable.
My own websites and SEO aside, I just don't like the results from G that I get for everyday queries, so I use ATW for more and more things - and I tell other people about it too. It won't happen overnight, but the way it's going somethings gotta give.
2odd...
Google has the best results in may 2003, but now theres alot of amazon like results and if I do a serch for bla bla on Google.de I just get 1 good result from the first 4 pages, the rest is universitys or other org, that has nothing speacial to do with the subject, but the keyword is somewhere on the page.
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Greetings,
Herenvardö
ATW's 'Advanced Search' has always been better than Google IMHO. Now it's significantly better. The problem is though, that Yahoo will plump for Ink and not ATW.
Having said that, yes, I agree with the posters above that pure Ink is better than Google at present for most searches.
>> I do look forward to the day when Y shows Ink, dam never thought I would say that :( what have you done G <<
Me too Tigger. What a turnaround.
My point is that Gigablast often digs up and ranks highly, good sites that often get buried on Google.
I will have to try Yuntis.
As a webmaster, Ink will be the Un-Google in the near term and the one to target for commercial quantities of traffic.
They own overture.com, Inktomi, alltheweb, av.com.....
Also, the traffic from the other search engines, directories and other sites linking to you all adds up.
I download Nutch and installed on my Linux server, it's ok but has very high server loads because its coded in Java.
When the JVM loads the CPU rate goes up to 100% and my box has 2gigs of ram and a very good CPU.
and when I run index the loads are the same...:(
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I download Nutch and installed on my Linux server, it's ok but has very high server loads because its coded in Java.When the JVM loads the CPU rate goes up to 100% and my box has 2gigs of ram and a very good CPU.
and when I run index the loads are the same...:(
You could always give Mnogosearch ( [search.mnogo.ru...] )or Aspseek ( [aspseek.org...] )a try. They can run with MySQL and Mnogosearch can handle a few other databases such as Postgres as well. Nutch looks like a fairly early release and I haven't looked closely at it.
Setting up your own personal search engine is easy but the main problem is with the database of URLs. First you have to get them. The quick way is to use ODP/dmoz as an input. This can cause problems because of the quality of some of the Dmoz entries and websites.
The second and perhaps more crucial problem is keeping it current. You have to tweak it and keep removing dead links and this generally means spidering the URLs on a regular basis. A possible Napster-like (in terms of spread/distribution) network of personal search engines may yet prove an alternative to Google.
Regards...jmcc
(Search engine operator among other things.)
