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http://mydomain.com vs http://www.mydomain.com

when i search for backlinks and my idexed pages I get different results.

     
3:48 am on May 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I used to upload my web to [mydomain.com....] I was about the 4th listing for my search terms. One day google reindexed me as mydomain.com istead of www.mydomain.com, this messed up my realtime thawte certificate. I then started uploading my pages with the www. Google reindexed me, now showing about 1/3 of my backlinks and now my listing went down. Pagerank is the same. Since then I ditched the real time cert.
What is better [www....] or [?...]

Also all other search engines show very different results when using link:www.mydomain.com and link:mydomain.com

when submitting to paid iclusion like fast and inktomi which format should I use with or without www. should I upload my site with or without www.

I cannot and won't block viewing from one or the other, and I would not like to use a meta auto refresh to a new index

Someone please help. I am clueless, helpless, and slowly sinking. in fact people that link to me, my listing in their webs like affiliate directories, very small link directories, and link partners can come up now before my listing will show in SE

Sorry about the lengthy post

5:12 am on May 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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automotivetouchup,

Welcome to WebmasterWorld [webmasterworld.com]!

A good practice is to pick one and stick with it. Do not use the other version to submit to directories or to request incoming links. It doesn't so much matter which one you pick, but only use one.

To recover from your current situation, what you should do is put in place a server-generated 301-Moved Permanently redirect from the "alternate" domain to the "main" domain. How you do this depends on what server your site is hosted on. Try a WebmasterWorld site search (link at top of page) using "301", "domain" and the name of your server, e.g. Apache or IIS.

This method will tell search engines to "consolidate" your PageRank and link popularity into the preferred domain, and fix the problems you describe. It also helps to set the "branding" of your site as "www" or non-"www".

There are many opinions as to which you should choose. I like "www" because is serves as a visual cue in print media that there is a URL there that the reader might want to jot down. But others prefer non-www for their own (and often good) reasons, so pick one.

HTH,
Jim

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but why do many search engines find links without www easier for some reason. At least thats what I find. Even when the link on partners page says www. The SE's or more likely to see them on a search for link:domain, not link:www.domain, On several search engines a search for my keyword, domain.com will come before www.domain.com: both of them will com up in search engines(just my theory and works especially with lycos 120 links vs 75 links to me respectively: also true with competition)
but also true with alta vista, msn,

also google backlinks went from 55 to 22 almost overnight

will a link to www.domain still count to domain.com and vice versa?

other than www branding what are pros/cons. most people would say domain.com in a regular conversation(.com/.net or .anything usually people think website. Right?)

My hosting account wasn't to friendly to me with apache scripts. They just emailed me non-user friendly links to sites with apache scripts but would not help me with anything serverside. I was then told that a meta refresh would be the right way (domain.com refreshing to domain.com/index.htm) and then forced to leave the conversation at that. I guess I;m not smart or daring enough for apache scripts just yet. Is it easier than sounds?

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automotivetouchup,

In some cases, search engines may show "www" and non-"www" results even when there are absolutely no links to one of these. It may be that they are keying off the domain name - technically, www.domain.com is a subdomain of domain.com.

Please use the WebmasterWorld site search - you will find probably a dozen discussions of www vs. non-www, and many opinions.

You can also find several threads [webmasterworld.com] with "canned" mod_rewrite "scripts" for use in your .htaccess file - if your host will permit you to run them. As to whether they are simple or not, that depends. I've been playing with mod_rewrite for years, and the solution to your problem is simple to me. If you want a good introduction, try this thread: Introduction to mod_rewrite [webmasterworld.com]

Google is in the process of the weirdest update we've ever seen here, so don't read too much into the data they return right now.

HTH,
Jim

11:39 am on May 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Jim,

With Google at least the following three apparently distinct URLs return exactly the same backlinks:

my.domain.com
my.domain.com/
my.domain.com/index.html

OK, the first gives a 301 to the second, but both the second and the third give a 200 OK and return exactly the same content.

Long ago I had been led to believe that the reason their backlinks were merged was that Google found that they were identical in content, so it merged their links. Clearly this is not the case, since

domain.com and
www.domain.com

presumably return the same content but do not get their links merged.

Can you explain the difference?

Thanks!

4:14 pm on May 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Mohamed_E,

Assuming the server is configured to return "index.html" as the index file, your first three examples really do indicate the same resource, the only exception being that the first example is missng the required trailing slash.

However, domain.com and www.domain.com are not the same thing; www.domain.com is a subdomain of domain.com, and may contain utterly unique content. Therefore, if you want these two domains to be "merged" completely, you need to tell the search engines. A 301-Moved Permanently redirect seems to work best.

HTH,
Jim

4:35 pm on May 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Thanks for the clarification, Jim!
 

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